Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

I think they all have a part to play, however, I think going by his comments he wasn't entirely happy with the window, which makes me think the recruitment process has failed him rather than the other way around..

A lot of our signings in the summer would have been identified before he took the reigns, with maybe Ange running the rule over..

Holm(going to be a cracker), Tilio, Kwon, Yang etc..

Also he would have needed some time to assess what was a treble winning squad..

I would expect Rodgers to be much more vocal in what he needs in his remaining transfer windows, let's hope he get the backing..

The board deserve credit for the contract extensions secured tbf.

 

I get your point, but I think you just need to look at the previous two CL games, it's a slight lack of quality that's cost us in both.

Holm losing his head against Feyenoord, Hart letting in an easy goal before that, and I think we win the Lazio game if we have a LB that suits his system and a Winger that's actually match ready up front.

The way we've set up hasn't been the issue the last two games, it's the lack of top quality players for certain positions, it really highlights how much of a failure the transfer window was.

 

There's no way he was happy with it..

He wanted more power in the side and we definitely didn't address that. He also wanted first team quality after the project type signings and I'd say we definitely didn't really come good on that..

He spoke over and over about the recruitment side being in a better place and sort of letting them lead on that. Likes of Yang and the other boy in midfield were long term targets from before he was here. Tilio also mentioned he knew of our interest before the manager came in and also probably an Ange as well as City link..

Lagerbielke was the same agent as Starfelt's who came to us as Starfelt was dying to get a move closer to his missus..

Some of these signings could still end up very good buys but we didn't address the positions we needed..

Pretty sure McGowan and others kept saying the manager wanted to target a left back and keeper, as well as a forward and we haven’t done it. We don't even have a left back on the bench as he doesn't rate what we've got. Tells you everything..

It's too late for Europe now but lessons have to be learnt. Get some big hitters in January to bed in and actually back him properly..

 

Is this coming from someone within the club?

 

No just an opinion. Based on how the transfer window progressed and Rodgers only really making any noise about anything after it closed. I don't think it's unreasonable even if it is different from others.

 

Immediately after the window closes, he essentially said he wasn't happy with it and we'd be looking to January for more signings.

I think he played it down when asked again the following week, but that said it all for me. I mean he left Bernabei out the CL squad entirely, you can't tell me he didn't want a LB in.

 

It's not just who was signed or how much was spent per se, but who wasn't signed and when the signing were made.

Point 1: the positions that weren't signed. We needed a LB, we needed a GK, arguably we needed a CDM (I'm agnostic on the last one). We didn't get any of them. For me, that's the point about the money. It's not that we need to spend all or even most of our money most seasons or that money in the bank is a bad thing; it's the combination of a negative net spend, more than enough money available to address those 2 (or 3) key positions (even taking into account the increased wages for the new contracts) and yet nothing being done about them. I'm still not happy about that and wasn't even before the CL games.

Point 2: I'm not against the types of signings we make per se, I think it is a sensible strategy for us; but the organisation and the timing needs to be better. We needed to be signing Oh before we sell Giakoumakis not after, so that we could loan him out to develop like Brighton do. The boy clearly has talent; but look at the the difference between how Scales has done compared to Oh. IMO, the difference is the loan: these players need games in order to develop. I think the same can be said for Lagerbielke: he's clearly not ready and must now be 4th choice to partner CCV, behind Scales, Nawrocki and Phillips. How is he going to develop without game time? The same could also be argued for Iwata and Yang! I want to see any players that aren't ready being loaned out.

Point 3: It's admittedly true that the board deserve a bit of slack about going into CL games with Palma not quite being ready and Yang being nowhere near it yet, since they planned to keep Jota but couldn't turn down that kind of money, nevertheless; I think it shows a lack of contingency planning. They don't deserve too much criticism for this, unlike for points 1 and 2; but it is something I'd like to see them improve. For example, if Yang had been signed 6 months earlier and spent that 6 months at Hibs or something.

 

It's quite a claim, though. I'd want to see at least some evidence before taking it seriously, especially given that intuition works best when we have some experience of and information about a situation and tends to break down when faced with a black box like our recruitment process (none of which has been opened up for us to observe).

 

It's not really.

I expected the transfer window to be considerably different than it was, a large part of that was to do with Rodgers getting the job.

It's just a different interpretation of the same situation, based on the same information. You appear to believe Rodgers is at the mercy of the recruitment process and has no influence or say. I don't believe that is likely in the slightest. I'm really surprised others do, but am also open to them being possible right.

It's really just a difference of opinion, there's nothing malicious in my interpretation, or yours. I just don't buy into your take based on the reasons given above.

 

I'm not saying there's anything malicious in your interpretation, mate. I'm sure there isn't.

I'm saying it's quite a claim, because it involves inferring the motivations and actions of a single individual we don't know personally from the outcome of a process involving multiple actors and with respect to whose workings, we have no information or access.

I think it's fair to call that quite a claim.

 

A single individual we have lots of information on and expectations of.

Not sure how it's different from laying the entire blame at the "recruitment process". That's why I included both of us in the "not malicious" part as nothing wrong with your opinion even if you are laying the blame with others. It's just a football forum.

I'd be really worried if Rodgers isn't involved in all reality. That would be far worse.

 

Calm down mate this isn’t a Hollywood story here.

 

I honestly don't understand your point. What do you mean?

 

Do we?

 

The use of multiple actors.


Thought it was clear

 

Ah, I missed the joke.

 

No like you

 

Indeed not! In fact, my given name at birth was Random Quick-on-the-uptake Review. Got teased for that at school, so I tend not to mention it.

 

anges team will be sold because they were bought for anges style of football

we can already see the japanese lads getting more stick, i believe because they and the rest of the team havent adapted well to rodgers slower style, now they may come good, but managers tend to build teams in their own image and its my belief they will be away sooner than later another reason to add on is players especially foreign ones dont stick around too long at celtic nowadays, i think the board likes to cash in whilst they can and players want to try england, another benefit of buying younger players with resale value