Brendan Fraudgers!

And got the VVD money

 

And the 40 million odd from last season's champions league.

Which as all seemed to go missing.

 

All we ask is one season just one where we really show some intent

 

F*ck me, football fans are fickle. Even if we lost every game for the next month, Rogers has had an incredible impact on this club and I can almost guarantee you that we would not find a replacement of equal caliber.

Rogers is ambitious; he's constantly talking about improvement and development and the fact that he managed to succeed in winning every domestic trophy available while qualifying for the Champions League two seasons is a testament to his high standards. We've been spoiled.

The board can't meet him ambition to improve, instead we've stagnated and his frustration is tangible. To me it's obvious - you need to provide him with the resources to improve or he'll be restricted by limitations and essentially stagnate or worse, go backwards.

I'm not saying he's faultless, but I honestly cannot believe that any fans could question his ability as a coach/manager. He has literally won everything he feasibly could.

However, we know the defence is horrendous, but it's been like that since as long as I remember. I honestly question how John Kennedy has kept his job over so many tenures, I think it's obvious that not only do we need another defender, but we need our defensive abilities to match the versatile attacking play we've witnessed over the past few seasons. Even our basic defending can be atrocious and that comes from bad coaching and discipline. It's not often you find a gem like VVD.

 

He constantly talks about quality over quantity but signs absolute *.

He spent hundreds of millions at Liverpool and was lost as soon as Suarez left, then decided to blame everyone else for the signings and refuse any responsibility.

He was embarrassing in Europe with Liverpool despite the budget he had.

Several managers would get more out of this squad than he is just now.

Put out by a very average AEK, schooled tactically off Craig Levein and now struggling to beat a pub team from Lithuania.

 

We have every right to question him when we are losing to AEK Athens and hearts then drawing with that mob tonight. The board carry the can for a lot of the problems but Brendan isn’t above reproach. That performance tonight was howling and he needs to shoulder his part of the blame. The team do too, and that line up should be putting 4 or 5 past them but tactically we looked pedestrian, passive and out of ideas going forward, and hesitant and nervous at the back. As our manager that’s his responsibility. We have regressed at an alarming rate and to me there’s a serious problem behind the scenes that’s impacting everything right now.

 

OK, concentrating on Celtic here, forget Liverpool.

There have been some baffling signings, but come on, Dembele was sensational in his first season, Sinclair was our top Scorer last year (I think) and again, first season was brilliant. Ntcham and Eduoard have the potential to be great investments.

I don't know how you can get any more out of a squad than a f*cking double treble. I know you think we should be invincible, but it's not feasible in football. I know it's almost become 2nd nature to blame and sack managers in modern football culture, but he's been absolutely fantastic here whether you selectively decide to ignore it or not. We're going through a rough patch, but it's such a small part of the overall picture since he's taken over the helm. I don't know what managers you think could do better that we could realistically atrract.

Nice wording, but we weren't 'schooled tactically' against Hearts. They scored a decent goal from a bad bit of defending from Sumonivic (who gave away possession needlessly. We got beat off Hearts once last season in 4 games against them - it doesn't equate to 'being schooled' by Levein.

We often struggle away from home in Europe. You say AEK Athens are very average - bet you, like me, know next to nothing about their squad or manager. We outplayed them at home and didn't take advantage - it's football, sometimes you lose. It doesn't mean get rid of the manager and start to focus on every shortcoming, it means stand together and support your *' team and accept defeat from time to time like everyone has to.

 

BRENDAN RODGERS has called on his Celtic defenders to show more PRIDE.

Rodgers was furious with the goal his side conceded during the 1-1 draw with Lithuania outfit Suduva.

And he insisted his sloppy stoppers must be more determined to keep the ball out the net.

Rodgers said: “I thought we made really hard work of it, to be honest.

“We gave away a soft goal. That is a real, real concern now. We are not giving away many chances but we don’t defend the set-piece well enough.

“It’s an away European goal, we go back next week to finish the job, but as I’ve said before I look to the performance level and we weren’t quite where we would want to be.

“For me, it’s a level of concentration, a pride in your defending and an aggression in your defending.

“These are really important factors.

“I felt for the supporters tonight. They have come all the way out there, maybe 200 of them, on trains, buses, the whole thing.

“It’s a disappointing performance from them. Okay, they have seen a goal but we have to be much better.

“Listen, collectively we must do better.

“We know exactly what our routine is.

“It’s one of those ones, we don’t concede a lot of opportunities which is a plus because it shows we are controlling a lot of the game.

“In our last round we had four shots on our target over two games which showed we were the better team and we conceded three goals.

“It has to stop. That is something we have to work very hard on and analyse.

“There has to be a greater desire not to concede.

“I think from the set piece situations that we are conceding from, it’s something really that is probably the easiest thing to defend in the game.

“There is no real movement. In that goal there was no block, no dummy runs to create space, it was a basic ball into the box.

“So you have to deal with that and you have to have a mentality not to concede. Too often over this early part of the season we’ve conceded.

“So like I say, we need to go away, work on it, work even harder on it, the players will take responsibility, the coaches will take responsibility, and we have to improve that side of it.”

 

I agree. He's a talented guy with a lot of excellent attributes, and I don't want to lose him. However, he seems to have a blind spot when it comes to the transfer market. I truly think most of the anger here could have been avoided if people could see we were targeting the right calibre of player, instead of the McKenna's and Hendry's. If we were targeting the Schar's, Papadopoulos', Bruma's, etc, even if we didn't get them people could see we have some ambition and a will to improve. They would then turn their ire on the board instead of the manager.

As it is, we seem to hold the opinion as a club, that there is no affordable quality anywhere in Europe or the world even. As fans We know this isn't true, and it's massively frustrating to keep hearing it. Personally I think the manager needs to think about a rejig of the scouting department and a change of philosophy, because if we keep coming out of transfer windows with the excuse that there's no quality anywhere, people are going to naturally ask questions about the guys who are doing the looking. I mean, over the past year we've decided that the only answers to our defensive problems are a South African guy no * ever heard of, a German crock, and two Scottish diddies who were right under our noses. Apparently they were the only gettable options that fit our criteria of "quality". It's just not * good enough.

Some of the pish on here tonight though, I'll agree, has been way over the top. Everybody makes mistakes and the guy has earned our backing. Now lets see what he does with the rest of the window.

 

Good. Glad he’s slaughtering our * defence. Maybe start verbally attacking the defensive coach too, Brendan ? Cos whoever the * it is, they shoulda been sacked a long time ago.
Defensively we are a disgrace

 

The defence has been a concern through your whole tenure Brendan..

It isn't just set pieces either..

Stop * talking, you and those useless scout's get out and pick a couple of decent one's up. Then get on the training pitch and try and teach us how to defend for a start..

Thanks..

 

Thought the same thing.

He looks drained and to me it shows in the teams performance,s of late.
If there problems behind the scenes then rogers should either sort it or (if he cant )then leave.

We have some big games coming up that could make or break our season (even this early)and whats in the clubs best interest should be a priority and Rodgers and the board need to sit down and sort this mess one way or the other.

 

Why forget Liverpool? Cos it shows what happens when he’s under pressure?

I am supporting the team. They’re being let down badly by the manager and the coaching staff.

Dembele was scouted under David Moss for 6 months before Rodgers even came in.

Sinclair had one good season. He’s probably our highest paid player and can’t even get in our starting 11 now.

Ntcham came from City which everyone keeps saying is where Lawwell signings come from.

Rodgers is the highest paid manager in the history of Scottish football. We should be improving under him in Europe. We’re being routinely embarrassed.

We had a wage budget of something like £50m last season. He’s won 1 game in the CL and it was against Anderlecht who were in turmoil with no manager.

Second nature to blame the manager? It’s second nature for Brendan to blame everyone but himself.

He started flying digs at the board the night before our biggest game of the season.

Moans about recruitment and ‘only quality’ signings yet proceeds to want to spend the most the second highest transfer fee between Scottish clubs for Scott McKenna? A guy who couldn’t get a game at Ayr United 18 months ago and only broke into the Aberdeen team in December.

 

Sounds a bit extreme but you actually make a few decent points.

 

Ronny Deila was a manager who preached about fast attacking football, with focus on wing play and developing youth players.

He signed Carlton Cole and Kazim-Richards. Either our managers are compulsive liars, or someone above them is at it.

 

The manager and coaching staff are a vital part of the team.

You're being selective - so Rodgers good signings weren't his responsibility , but his failed signings were his fault.

Sinclair had more than a good season, he was outstanding that first year and last year he was top goalscorer. You cannot improve on being 'invincible'.

He's the highest paid manager in the history of Scottish football - he's the only manager to win back to back trebles in Scottish football.

The wage budget is still next to nothing compared to the teams who trounced us in the Champions League - PSG and Barca have pumped tonnes of teams, it doesn't embarrass me. You're not taken into account the fact that he won all the qualifying games to get us into the Champions league in the first place. It's not our * given right to win those games.

Perhaps his digs at the board are merited? He's hardly the first manager to have problems with the board in recent years...

What's Scott Mckenna's tenure at Ayr United got to do with it? Andy Robertson was playing against teams like Peterhead for Queens Park only a few years before playing in a Champions League final for Liverpool.

 

Found this an interesting read, strange the part on Season 3 with LFC. Shipping goals.

Brendan Rodgers has evolved since he first got into Melwood (LFC's training ground). He came in with a promise of delivering 'Death by Football', he delivered breath taking counter pressing football and followed it by playing a game to out number and out run opponents in mid field and leave no space behind after a press high up the field. In his final season, he wanted his team to play through center without any width along with pressing the space.

In his first season, he wanted his team to play through the first line pressure without fear. He wanted his team to keep the ball under pressure. He wanted his team to move the ball up the field via short passing and sharp movement. By the end of his first season, he saw Sturridge, Henderson and Coutinho flourishing together especially in the absence of Suarez through suspension. That period was when he first moved away from pass and move to direct & counter pressing football.

In his second season, he started playing the same tactics that he used at the end of his first. After the arrival, he found a system to fit in both Suarez and Sturridge without compromising the pressing game he so wanted. Now comes Henderson and Coutinho. Coutinho is supposed to cut open defenses in final third or create chances as soon as possible and Henderson became the engine room for LFC. He wanted to use pace of Sturridge up front along side the craft and guile of Suarez. So, the shift of Gerrard to deep midfield role. He called it the QuarterBack role. Gerrard places himself in between CB's or sit infront of him and delivers long balls to wide and open areas which would cut off defenses. Now it is upto receiver, either Sturridge or Suarez or Coutinho to create a chance. By mid-season, Sterling found his way out of magistrate and personal issues. Sterling somehow managed to regain his aura. This gave Brendan to re do his tactics. He now has two players whose pace he can use (Sturridge & Sterling) and two players with guile (Coutinho & Suarez), one Quarter Back (Gerrard) and one engine (Henderson). Now depending on the strengths of opposition, he flipped traingles, changed length of the sides of Rhombus but his tactic remained the same. Fast direct and counter pressing football.

In his third season, he started the same way as his second. Beat Spurs by 3 goals and everything looked bright. Then injury hit sturridge. Squad kept shipping goals. Coutinho has no one to aim his through ball for as neither Balotelli nor Lambert are that type of forwards. Defense kept conceding goals. So, a change. This time he wanted to put numbers in mid field. This is to out number the opposition in mid field and re gain possession and counter. Results turned around until, United came to town and had other plans. Since that day, LFC never played with confidence. Never. I as fan would know, it is not going to happen. A win is not going to come. Squad looked dis interested, dis jointed. Season comes to an end.

His final and fourth season. He expalined about the pressing the space to regain possession and then attack space. Worked wonders against Arsenal. But for some reason, United chose to not show any intent to attack. When a team has no intent to attack, his tactics of pressing the space wouldn't work. A set piece goals later, it worked until Skrtel took Martial into his box and thanked him for scoring. And once again, squad no longer play with the hunger they showed against Arsenal. They are wasted and Brendan is fired.

Brendan is a good coach, but as Greg Gordon once said, "Brendan is educated beyond his own intelligence", Brendan gets lost in a maze designed by himself. From what I've seen, Brendan is also not someone who can inspire his squad. He can only write methods that will work.

 

How can Sevco pick up 2 decent centre halfs for little money? One from Brighton and the other from Croatia. As some people have highlighted above what are the scouts doing at our club??

 

Love Brendan for what he’s done but these are facts.