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Brendan Fraudgers!

Discussion in 'World Football' started by Mr. Slippyfist, May 20, 2016.

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  1. northeast67

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    He's here for 10 then will have a choice of a few clubs..
     
  2. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Rodgers hitting back at claims we've gone backwards in his time here.
     
  3. Bertie Cauld

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    No wonder what a stupid statement.
    Before Rodgers came in we hadn't qualified for the champions league in 2 year now we've done it twice in a row.
    Invincible treble winners last year and on for the treble this year aswell, we are lucky to have him.
     
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    What more does the guy have to do!
     
  5. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Be a rampant hun in charge of Sevco.
     
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  6. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Until Rodgers finds a cure for cancer then his time at Celtic can't be considered a success.
     
  7. Aidan O’Shea

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    If he doesn’t find a solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict immediately he can’t realistically be looked on as a success.
     
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  8. Bertie Cauld

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    To be fair Scotland haven't qualified for a major championship since he's been up here.
     
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    Rodgers hasn't won the Balon D'or since he came to Celtic. Nor have Celtic won the World Cup. Apologists will ramble on about how they're not even eligible, but anyone with eyes can see that footballing success = winning the World Cup. How many World Cups does Rodgers have to his name? Zero? Pfft. Rodgers out.
     
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    On a serious note, it speaks volumes about the incredible levels of success and consistency Rodgers' critics have come to expect. Merely dropping points is now a cardinal offence in the eyes of the press. They will hungrily latch on to any slither of failure. This speaks volumes because it goes to show Rodgers has given them * all to say since the day he arrived. Mon Rodgers. Best Celtic manager of my lifetime.
     
  11. Sween

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    I agree with this. I like Rodgers but I dont think what he has achieved would be beyond Lennon if he was to take over.

    I think the problem is there is a pretty clear glass ceiling to what celtic can achieve. It is why Lennon left in the first place and it is why Rodgers will go when he chooses to do so.

    Whoever comes in after Rodgers is realistically probably going to see winning the treble and qualifying for the champions league as both the ceiling and the benchmark. Anything less will be considered a failure and anything more is extremely difficult.
     
  12. Spring Time Gold Member Gold Member

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    He left because of a glass ceiling here, & later took over at Bolton, you need to explain his thinking, because they were known to be potless.
    Every club, bar the elite handful has a glass ceiling & have to work within it.
    We're improving in a far more structured & financially prudent way than 99% of the clubs you probably envy, which should be admired.

    Do you honestly think Lenny was getting us to the same place BR has got us to?

    I would take the treble & CL qualifying if we keep our soul.
     
  13. G_portillo

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    To be fair to NL he took us to the last 16 and so achieved something that BR is yet to.

    I dont think Bolton is a fair result of NLs managerial ability as they were essentially a sinking ship with the financial issues he inherited there.

    The financial strategy was already in place under NL through the construction of Lennoxtown, our signings and the wage structure we work under. Whats more is that NL wasnt a manager whose wage DD had to subsidise. The emergence of NL alone saved us millions.

    Id heavily argue that it was RD who failed to continue this momentum and set us back. BR however, has got us back on track.
     
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  14. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    You are absolutely clueless.

    I love Neil Lennon but in managerial terms Rodgers is world class, Lennon isn’t. And that is blatantly obvious to anyone that likes football never mind Celtic.
     
  15. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Rodgers achieved more in his first year and a half, domestically anyway, than Lennon did in 4 years. If it isnt that far beyond him then why did he not get close to it back then? He would come in and be in a good position to continue winning the league, aye, but you could say the same about many managers with a half decent CV.

    2 CL qualifications on the trot as well for BR, which cannot be underestimated given what the squad had went through under Deila. The last 16 hasn't happened yet but there are a number of differences between how BR is going about it in comparison to NL. We also have had 2 of the worst draws in our time in the competition the past 2 seasons. I don't think it's wrong to say that Lennon' s were slightly more 'favourable', at least in CL terms.

    Lennon is a good manager. But Rodgers is several levels above. Just because the former could probably continue to win the league and the odd cup each year doesn't change that. Rodgers is doing a lot more for the club than simply winning trophies and qualifying for Europe. He's changing it right throughout and in 2 or 3 years if he does go we will look back and thank * he was here.

    My opinion isn't a slight on Neil Lennon before anyone starts. Rodgers is simply a better manager and I don't think that when he does eventually go we should simply jump for Neil straight away. It's the easy and relatively safe option, aye, but we will need to take a lot more into consideration when that day eventually comes.

    I'm not against Lennon returning, as I've already stated. Just think there could be other options worth considering..i mean it all depends on who is available at the time, as this probably won't be for another 3 years or so IMO.
     
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    ON the face of it, the challenges facing Glasgow Celtic and the neighbouring Glasgow Rocks, who play out of the Emirates Arena, may seem poles apart. But an inspirational afternoon that senior figures from the city’s basketball side spent in the company of Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers this week blew them away to such an extent, that they are ready to apply the principles from his approach to the beautiful game onto the court.

    Rodgers gave up four hours on Tuesday afternoon, in the midst of preparing his side for the game against Dundeethat ultimately fell victim to the weather last night, to give an insight into how his approach to football management can translate not only across different sports, but equally to multiple walks of life.

    Duncan Smillie, co-owner of the Rocks and not one to be easily impressed by the sort of glib motivational speeches he was no stranger to hearing in his time in the business world, was taken aback by the experience. What he thought would amount to little more than a cup of tea and a nosey about Lennoxtown, turned into an afternoon that may alter his whole approach to how he runs his organisation.

    “We’ve got a reasonably close relationship with Celtic,” Smillie explained when asked how the meeting came about. “We’re neighbours, for one, and David Low my business partner was the guy who brokered the Fergus McCann deal when he bought Celtic back in the 90’s.

    “It was way, way more than I thought it would be. We were told that we would meet Brendan and his assistant Chris Davies, who has been at a few of our games. We thought we would get a look around, maybe watch some training and that would be it. But when we got up there, we couldn’t believe the time we got with Brendan. He really put himself out.

    “He brought us into his office and spent a good half hour chatting to the players just getting to know who they were, and was genuinely interested in them. It turns out that his first sport was basketball, and he had played at a good level as a point guard back in Ireland when he was younger.

    “He then invited us out to watch training. He came over to chat with us during the session, and then insisted afterwards that we have lunch with him, the players and the coaching staff.

    “We then went back into his office, and he made a presentation to us on leadership, coaching, tactics and mentoring. The guys were completely blown away, as was I, both in terms of how much time this guy was giving up, and just how inspirational he was.

    “He’s a born leader, and someone with a passion for developing and nurturing talent. I’ve got a business background, and I was thinking that this guy could go and run Microsoft. It’s the same ethos, what he was saying about developing people and getting the best out of people.

    “He was very intense, but in a good way, as he was sharing his philosophy on coaching. It sounds really twee, but it was really quite inspirational. His passion, his drive and his interest in what we were trying to do was very impressive.”

    Smillie is hoping that the messages Rodgers was trying to get across during the meeting absorbed into the Rocks players present as much as they resonated with him.

    “He told the players that they were professional athletes, and they owed it to themselves to be the best version of themselves that they could be,” said Smillie.

    “It was really motivational. We’ve got some really senior guys in our team like our captain Kieron Achara who has been to the Olympics, he’s the Team GB captain and the Scotland captain, and he was sitting there saying that it was mind-blowing.

    “You don’t think that level of intellect and psychology is prevalent in Scottish sport right now, but that’s a guy who is absolutely at the top of his game.”

    While Smillie will be implementing some of the lessons from the afternoon in the near future, it will be during the traditional summer recruitment process that he feels the words of Rodgers will be uppermost in his mind.

    “It reinforced to me that during that time you have individuals, you have a care of duty and a responsibility to develop them,” he said.

    “I’m less than a year at the Rocks, so I’m still very much enthused, but it has only enthused me more about what lies ahead.

    “It’s made me think about the individual, how we set expectations of what we want them to achieve when they arrive and what they want to achieve.

    “I took away so much about how I want to put that same philosophy and focus on development into the Rocks that he has at Celtic. He didn’t say that he had copyrighted it, so we’ll certainly be stealing more than a few of his ideas.”
     
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    Lennon knew how to beat Barcelona and competed with them closely on two other occasions

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  18. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    That’s fantastic news, Rodgers was a Gerrard slip from winning a Premiership whilst Lennon left Bolton at the bottom of the Championship.

    You can’t pick and choose certain games or periods (discounting everything else) and expect to be taken seriously.
     
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    I agree that Rodgers is a more accomplished manager than Lennon. My point is that Rodgers has already hit a ceiling that Lennon could likely match but is very unlikely to better. Same goes for any manager.

    On Lennons achievements as celtic manager, it is hard to compare in my opinion. Domestically he was still competing against a real Rangers side when he took the role and he was basically forced to flip the team. But you are right that he didnt manage what Rodgers has achieved.

    In Europe he beat Barca and got to the last 16 however I think he was managing at a time when the gulf between the elite and the rest in Europe was smaller. But at the same time he was smart enough to change his game to allow his team to compete against the very best, compared to some of the absolute pumpings we have suffered this year because we didnt adapt.

    So while I think Rodgers is a better manager than Lennon, I think he could achieve a similar degree of success over the next few seasons. Because we have hit a ceiling that is very unlikely to be broken regardless of whether it is Lennon or Rodgers in charge.
     
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    The Ceiling will be broken if he is given proper funds in the summer.
     
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