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Boycotting those who vote yes.

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Scarecrow, Jun 18, 2012.

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  1. mfisher

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    So what will that be?? Surely if that was as easy as you say then they would be doing it just now anyway?? These people are good business men, do you think if it was so easy to make more money in any other means then they would have been doing it years ago?
     
  2. idlewildered

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    I wish I had all the answers, but:

    1. Season tickets sales need to increase for the other clubs. This can be achieved by marketing the fact that competition for European slots without Rangers is more of a possibility.
    2. The league needs to admit it's in decline. Explain to the fans without their money that this will continue to be the case until the club you claim to support can't carry on without you putting a penny in.
    3. Move away from the dependence of Sky. SPL TV is something that has needed to happen for years and something that can be achieved. Again, it needs to be marketed so that people stay away from getting apathetic about the fact that the standard of football is * so why should I pay subscription money to watch it?
    4. No more of an us and them attitude. Before the old firm was set apart from the rest of Scottish football (the 10 and 2 vote being a clear example). All clubs working together to make the product better rather than in their case, reaping the benefits of existing alongside the old firm, and for us, no we're better than you attitude. We bring in the most money therefore we're the most important.

    If fans of other clubs know that there is a legitimate shot at Europe, a league that doesn't appear to be happy with just being a * version of what is available in the English leagues and is trying to better itself. A league without an old firm dominating everything and set apart from the rest of the league then the absent fans from smaller clubs will come back.

    This is all off the top of my head and will need to be thought out more.
     
  3. odonno

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    sure we could take a wild guess..
     
  4. idlewildered

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    that's part of the problem, we have an opinion of which clubs are "hunnish" in our eyes and could assume that they've voted a way they haven't and vice versa for that matter.
     
  5. odonno

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    aww geez peice, mankywell and killie have already voiced their views (allbeit their chairman) vote wont be anonymous and even so, sally will call for their heads and we'll find out in seconds afterwords, plus only hunnish teams are every team in ayrshire + hearts:celt_2:
     
  6. made in ireland

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    Whether you like or not, and whether it was or wasn't your intention, by going to away games you are financially supporting the club directly. Now I have no problem handing over my money to another club who does not conspire to create a corrupt and bent league, and would be more than happy to support an upstanding and honest club and as a result the SPL/Scottish football as whole. However, by continuing to buy tickets for clubs who create and prop up a bent league, you are- whether you like or not- finacially supporting those complicit in cheating.
     
  7. odonno

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    shut the * up, sevco5088 *
     
  8. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Will anyone ever go to a game at Sevco Park?
     
  9. mfisher

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    1. European slots?? This isnt a money earner. Motherwell have made it into the champions league qualifier this year yet they are slashing their budget for next season. Making it into this qualifier will give them what?? 1 extra home gate?? Hardly going to inspire more people to buy a season ticket.

    2. The league knows its in decline. Infact they know its a pish league that can only survive with the big 2 clubs which is why they will bend over to allow Rangers back in. Supporters of other spl teams are not going because the product they watch is so bad. You couldnt pay me to watch an Inverness v St Johnstone on tv never mind asking someone to pay £20-£30 to go to it.

    3. Any money coming into the game has to grabbed by both hands. Sponsorship and tv deals are not easy to get in scottish football so any we do get has to taken. Spl tv?? If Celtic or Rangers are not playing then the viewing figures would be paltry and not worth a penny.

    4. Do you really think Peter Lawell would be willing to give up our money to the other spl teams just to make them better?? Also why should he??

    Absent fans will only come back if the product gets better. You only need to look at the english premiership and championship to see that. Making our league a 1 team league and making other teams poorer will not improve our product and the thought of an extra 1 european game a season will not have fans running for the turnstiles. Be careful what you wish for..
     
  10. mfisher

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    ????? hmmmmm
     
  11. made in ireland

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    I completely disagree. Any vote should be open and transparent, as the most important stakeholders in football- the fans and customers- deserve the right to know which clubs voted for a un-level playing field.

    Even if clubs tried to vote anonymously, as I've mentioned it would eventually come out. Clubs, like all businesses, would be duty-bound to inform their shareholders of any such decision.
     
  12. ILoveTheCeltic

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    First of all there is no "back in" Sevco have never kicked a ball never mind played in the SPL. There is also now no "Celtic or Rangers", Celtic or Sevco maybe. Thirdly, the League will most likely be a "1 team league" from now on anyway. How can Sevco look to challenge us when they'll be running on half or less of our budget?
     
  13. made in ireland

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    I would. So long as they start in the same league as any other new club, and if good enough work their way to the SPL. They would also have to go through the same process and scrutiny as any other amatuer or Highland league club that wanted to apply to the SFL.
     
  14. mfisher

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    Ill spend my money to support my team. If i give my money to Motherwell for example, and they have said yes, then why are they complicit in cheating?? They have been given a vote and if they vote yes because they think it is for the benefit of their club then surely they are entitled to do so?? Doesnt make them cheats. And i dont give a flying * if they are or are not ill still be there supporting "MY" team !!

    * everything else that happens and to be honest im totally fed up reading about, ill still be supporting Celtic next season home and away regardless of what happens.
     
  15. ILoveTheCeltic

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    They are already complicit in cheating though, as they have got an SPL team(Rangers) voting to get them into the SPL just because they bought assets off them.
     
  16. idlewildered

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    that's uncalled for.
     
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    Exactly, yet all you've done is pish all over the ideas presented without offering an alternative.
     
  18. idlewildered

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    you'd be comfortable with a published list of names of who has voted for who in governmental elections then?
     
  19. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Because they are condoning it.

    Say you bought a car for £500, then got some clown to pay £10,000 for it but he wasn't giving you the money for 7 days. But then you met him the next day and he said "Ive just murdered my wife", would you phone the polis or wait until he had bought the car off you because you know no-one would even pay £1,000 for the car?
     
  20. made in ireland

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    I think that's a fairly backward mentality to have.

    The death of Rangers has provided Scottish football with the perfect opportunity to rejuvenate itself and move away from the floundering status quo. If clubs currently have a business model which sees its very existence being dependant on one club then they deserve to go to the wall.

    It may be a case of one step back in order to take two steps forward, but it is the best scenario in the long run.