Benefit cheats

Why shouldn't the rich pay extra tax? What difference will it make to their lives?

 

Yeah, I'm definitely misinformed after researching stuff just there

 

So what your saying is that your too good for asda or something, it's those kind of people that I'm talking about, need a job " but I wont do that" get a grip

 

I know, I mentioned the Tories, I just thought I'd say F' U to SNP whilst I was at it (in regards to a reent bill)

 

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/practice/basics/facts

Almost all asylum seekers are not allowed to work and are forced to rely on state support – this can be as little as £5 a day to live on.

Asylum seekers do not jump the queue for council housing and they cannot choose where they live. The accommodation allocated to them is not paid for by the local council. It is nearly always ‘hard to let’ properties, where other people do not want to live.

 

Right so the fact that it's their money, but you should have it cos they won't need it. So if you want to be successful in life, prepare to pay out a * load of money for it?

 

I absolutely loathe people who cheat the benefit system. When I was in hospital I had jsut lost my job and was on jobseekers. The day after my surgery I was supposed to sign on but had to go to another hospital for my prognosis. I got a sick line for that day,.
2 weeks later they wanted another. My mum had told them I was pretty much on deaths door, literally, and couldn't leave the hospital. This went on for 4 months then they realised "oh *.. this lad isn't actually well". Then I got assigned a case worker fromm Clic Sargeant, I honestly can't speak highly enough of them.

So after months of being in hospital where the social not once told me what I was entitled to, threatened to take me off benefits as i couldn't sign on as I was incapacitated. It reall * me off that people live off benefits as its their career where genuine,honest people get shafted at every opertunity.

 

Bad anolgy IMO. What about the people that could afford a dog but no longer can due to unforseen circumstances, easy...rehome the dog.
However since you a statement is an anolgy (I presume)dogs are'nt issue. People with families to feed cant rehome there children or partners. Life doesnt grind to a halt cos money is tight.

 

I dont blame them, we have a system where the honest are punished and the liars reep the rewards....I would blame the people responsible for managing that system.

 

Maybe it is a bit of a bad analogy, but I feel some people have kids when they don't think of the consequences of having them, and just expect everything given to them. I'm not saying the state shouldn't help out, for example if someones been made redundant. However, I think benefits should help people get back on their feet, and not a solution.

 

His source is the Daily Mail.

That's not true at all. Took me about half a year to finally find a job, and it was only a part time job I was after to earn a wee bit extra whilst at Uni. And even then the job I've got is only temporary.

Unemployment is not as high as it is simply down to folk believing "this country owes them something".

 

Exactly, benefits are not a wage, although this country is full of people tacking the *

 

Not at all.

What I said is that for many people who are made redundant from either a skilled job or similar are unable to support themselves or their family on a service sector job were the wages comparitively are much lower. It is why many are forced on to benefits because they don't make enough to live.

There is nothing wrong with working in Asda, I work in a rival chain. The only problem is that in a world were the standard of living is going up and up, such a job is no longer sustainable to many people. A solution would be a real time rise in wages but the companies are quite happy with the status quo. Anyone who doesn't agree with them can jog on as they have a massive queue of people who are prepared to accept less than they should.

 

Well, yeah. In an ideal world that's exactly how it would go down.

Their should be different tax structures based on your earnings.

For example;

£5000 - £20000 1% of earnings

£20000 - £40000 2%

£40000 - £70000 3%

£1000000 + 10%

and so on...

Those are just daft figures and in no way am I saying that is how it should go down exactly but you get the jist.

 

you keep saying this, do you have any proof of this?

If not can you please stop throwing it around as if it is gospel.

 

There is a genuine lack of jobs.... people need to understand this and stop making everyone out to be a scrounging *. A lot of problems have been caused by the introduction of health and safety certificates as well as the credit crunch, recession etc.

To be a security guard you have to own a SIA card which costs about £500 then you have your CIS cards etc. This means folk on benefits can't even apply for these jobs because they haven't got these and can't afford them. Then you have the problem of folk who have a house. Most companies are sticking to part time hours instead of full time because it's cheaper for them to employ multiple part time employees instead of a few full time. Then there is competition for every job. They close down adverts after 200 applicants now due to the sheer amount of people applying for each job.

 

Funny you should post this because i will soon be in the same position. Myself and my partner are expecting our first baby soon. It wasn't planned but we are very happy and have already spent thousands preparing for our new arrival.

I work full time and so does my partner, although her wages aren't an awful lot. We have both worked since leaving school years ago and have paid taxes week after week.

With the cost of energy being so high, and car running costs (which is essential for us to get to work), and everything else. We are going to be scraping the barrel quite a bit when our baby comes. No least because my partner will only get statuatory maternity pay of 128 quid a week. So things are about to get really difficult. Especially when my partner goes back to work and we need to pay for child care.

We phoned money matters and asked what Working tax credits and child tax credits we would get and also if we would get help with childcare.

We were told we would get very little, if anything. We were also told we would get NO help at all with childcare.

Now almost the entire wage my partner earns will have to go on childcare meaning we more of less have to live off my wage alone. The future is probably going to hold a lot of debt for us because we will struggle badly on just my wage.

Now, my partner is quite friendly with a girl. She is 20 and has 2 children. She has never worked a single day in her life. She is also a single mother.

She has twice gotten a 500 quid "start up" grant from the government which is supposed to be for buying the essentials but to my amazement in says on the government website that you can spend it on what ever you want! I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw that. That is taxpayers' money! Only the unemployed get that grant or single mothers.

She also gets all the benefits going. So much so that my partner brings home only slightly more in wages than she does in benefits.

* is going on here?

If my partner was a single mother, she would get child tax credits, working tax credits, and also childcare costs and of course child benefit. All would come to close on 1000 quid a month. Because we live together, we wont get any child tax credits. We will only get working tax credits of 45 quid a month and child benefit at 20 quid a week. That is it. NO help with childcare at all.

Now i have paid thousands in tax over the years, i am an honest guy and i have never cheated on the benefits system. I am completely furious that it always seems to be the dregs of society who get anything from the public purse and the working people are left to struggle!!

After all, it's the taxes that i am working to pay that are going to keep the same people who have never lifted a finger in their life! And to top it off, i have heard this girl on many occasions talk about her benefits as being "my money". I am going to get "my money".

It's a complete joke! What about the government helping families who actually contribute to society. The people who actually pay taxes!!

We have been honest all along and will be honest in the future but I am so angry that the money i am working to earn, to try and heat our house, feed a clothe our baby is going to be taxed to help these arseholes who can't be arsed to work and are popping out kids like nothing else.

It's a * up world we live in and as i am typing this, i can feel myself getting angrier and angrier.

 

what the * is that supposed to mean. one half of my family are irish immigrants, the other half norwegian refugees fleeing hitler, and a harder working family you will not meet, so before you starting spouting your Daily Mail pish, try and get your facts right.

i've worked with polish guys and lassies that work about 60 hours a week, the problem isn't immigrants, it's a central gov with a clear ideological commitment to public spending cuts that has been proven to be ineffective, as well as a proportion of 'indigenous' brits who will do anything to avoid a days work.

 

First of all the tax system in this country is flawed, the rich will pay 50% tax on their income, i repeat 50%, thats half of their income, is that really fair? So what if they are rich and have a lot of money to spare.

The unfair tax system is in fact to make society fairer. The way i see it is that the rich pay higher taxes to offset the costs of the Poorer in society paying lower taxes. I think thats a fair way to do it. But the way its done in Britain has gone too far.

The state already gives people many things, free education, free healthcare, things that other people in 1st world countries don't have. What i find is that the rich in society pay high taxes of up to 50% but don't use any part of the system. They pay for something they don't use, rich people won't use state schools, rich people won't use state healthcare, it will be private.

The poorer in society will pay lower taxes and will use state education and state healthcare.

There should be a better balance i reckon. I think more wealthy people are taxed far too high, for example earnings over 150,000 pounds is taxed at 50%, over 150,000 isn't even rich, thats middle/upper middle class. The middle class in society come off the worst as they always take the brunt of tax hikes.

To the point on benefits, well it should be given to people who are actually trying to look for work and just can't get a job, thats where benefits are so helpful. People who take benefits and never even think of going for a job are the ones cheating the system.

 

sorry for the double post but i resent this statement. in the past 5 months i've applied for over 300 posts, in the UK, Germany, SOuth Korea, UAE thats how willing to work i am that i'll move to the other side of the world. the reason so many under 25s are out of work is that employers can choose those with lots of experience due to the huge amount of those without work, and when your 18/19/20, experience is something you dont have