Are the GB starting to get on peoples nerves?

thats a pile of * right there man. it is possible to support more than one thing you know.

 

how is it nonsense,not one member of hte green brigade came forward during the 3 weeks of celtic bashing in the press and tv,to defend their stance on the poppy banner!!not one person,even on a phone in,the press would have been very interested in what they had to say.these type of so called militant/ultras get other people to do the shouting and screaming for them,and never seem to get arrested,let them debate it with us,but they havent,not once.and as i said earlier,i think if they stick to football they are great,but i am so fed up having to say to non celts,i dont agree with them and no one i know does,we are all tarred with the same brush,and that is not fair!!!

 

thats a lie, they issued a statement, which was in papers, and on the internet.

they explained why they had the poppy banners up.

 

They have made their position clear from day one, and after the poppy banner, they released a statement to further clarify this situation. It was much easier for them to do that rather than repeat their point over and over and over again when questioned about it.

 

Yes, they were starting to earn some of my respect back until the poppy banner and the scuffle on Saturday.

 

they released a statement,a faceless statement,i read the statement,it was crap,if you have the courage to hold up a banner that shames a great club and embarrasses a large part of the support of that club you should have the courage of your convictions to show your face and debate it on the news or on radio,i say again,no member of GB had the guts to do that,a faceless statement is the cowards way out,they underestimated the backlash on the club and its fans,and at a time when we had the moral high ground on the sfa over mcdonald and his lies,its now open season on us,the whole argument has been turned on its head and we are now seen as the club of militants with no decency

 

I am almost disarmed at such temperate views Dannighirl, varyingly at odds with me or agin me- you seem a natural for the diplomatic service. There is nothing that you have said that I can really fundamentally disagree with except;

The drunken neds thing may have been true of the occassions that you mentioned but not on Saturday nor at any home games I have witnessed.......which would be all of them this season, if there were drunken neds amongst the GB they weren't to the fore, which is a good sign.

I am ever so slightly perplexed as to how people like us who disagree with the present incumbant chairman imposition of politics on our club using symbols empathetic with the British military are supposed to express this disagreement? I suppose you are aware at the disgraceful treatment meted out to representatives of supporters assosciations who who attempted to pre-empt the present furore over the poppy on the hoops, considering last years experience? I believe Lawell implied that he would be dealing with the situation, never got back to them and lo and behold here we are again.

Thus in light of the clubs attitude of disrespect towards fans representatives it seems legitimate that another fans group took it upon themselves to articulate the views that you and I hold, indeed I suspect the vast majority. Of course some may now ridiculously claim that because the neither I nor GB held a plebiscite, that the the views of fans cannot be taken for granted, I can categorically state that apart from forums like this I do not know any Celtic fans for it.

As to the philosophical question of the political views of Celtic fans..............well it is an interesting discussion perhaps for another day but considering that we in Scotland are very much to the left of centre considering the historical party associations(before the labour party moved to the right), and Celtic's nominally working class fan base even more to the left then I believe that there is a case for generalisation towards liberalism and sympathy for the armed struggle in Ireland and other oppressed groups like the Palestinians and Basques. Of course there are variations and probably more than a few exceptions to that rule.

Anyhow thanks for responding Danni.

 

Leave the GB alone. These Bhoys and Ghirls are a credit to Celtic. Thank you GB for your enthusiasm and passion. (Most of you who critisize them are probably secret poppy wearers!).

 

secret poppy wearers? that's a new one.

 

thats a strange thing to say or do as an *

 

i take it thats tongue in cheek mayo,as there is no shame in wearing a poppy,certainly no shame if you had or have members of your family in the armed forces,and at my age you know that its to commemorate victims of all wars,this was never an issue in years gone by,not once in 35 years supporting celtic,or in my fathers 60 years supporting,did he or i ever get a comment over wearing the poppy,up until the last 3 or 4 years when it was hijacked by the GB,ask any older members of the support ,it wasnt an issue

 

Bit random the Poppy point and off topic to the thread in hand ,so when you read this keep to the topic.

 

i imagine there's not much secret about it?

i'm guessing you must be joking

 

Sorry Dan but the spin here isn't on. First off the GB are responding to the disgraceful imposition of British military symbols on the hoops by Baron Reid a fully paid up member of the British establishment labour man, the GB are articulating the views of many, having the gumption to act in a measured way that we can be proud of.

The poppy is the symbol of the Earl Haig fund which caters for ex-British servicemen and their loved ones. It does not as you suggest "commemorate the victims of all wars" if it did then we would not be having this discussion.

You may wish to be party to remembering and financially aiding ex members of HM forces responsible for murder, torture and brutalising innocents in Ireland and elswhere of late, but I am not. That is your choice but lets be honest about your choice please.

 

sorry,but i know what the poppy stands for,and i know who it supports,yes there were people killed by the british army in ireland,but do you ever stop to consider the other side of it,total number of civilians killed,1857,the vast majority by paramilitaries,mostly by the ira,so can you justify those deaths,a death is a death."Baron reid",it is so childish and boring to listen to this posturing by those who would support terrorist /paramilitary organisations,who kill,and then they slag off an elected member of parliament,who by the democratic process was part of a government that took part in legal wars,note legal,no illegallity has been proved in the iraq or afghan wars.now is it okay to blow up a child in warrington in england,or to bomb manchester city centre during a football tournament,no it is not,that is not right,so baron adams or baron mcguiness were wong,as were baron adair and baron paisley.but a government is a legal entity.and i for one am quite happy to buy a poppy,to support the haig fund,as i am also hapy to see near peace in ireland,and elsewhere.

 

Strange Dan.............You say that you know what the poppy stands for yet earlier you tried to spin that it was to commemorate the victims of all wars.

Also it didn't take very long for the mask to fall, your seriously pro-British slant clouds your ability to ingest anything that endangers that view. You say before you launch into a myriad of whataboutery that the British army killed..........sorry killed? The word you are looking for is murdered Dan.............Murdered! Killed sounds so cuddly and well with all the nonsense about legality well your attempts at dampening down wont wash.

The actions of the HM forces in Ireland, legal or otherwise would indeed shame all the devils in *. The British army were responsible for the most non-combatants deaths. Indeed soldiers like Fraser and Wright who were sent to prison were re-instated in the British army and promoted after getting out of prison. The British government also sponsored and controlled Unionist death squads for the majority of their existance, they also infiltrated the IRA to a high level and were responsible for many innocent deaths to keep their agent 'steaknife' legit. Should you wish to compare the so called 'terrorist' actions of the Republican movement..........fire away! (pardon the pun) the Brits more than matched them.

The UN secretary-general declared that the Iraq war was illegal Dan, that'll do me over the US who have got the oil resources that they wanted and the British who secured lap dog status in the eyes of the world.

 

no they are not
if it was not for them parkhead would be like a funeral every second week
NO ATMOSPHERE

 

Forgot to mention Dan that your accusation of childishness over my use of Baron Reid.

He is in fact Baron Reid of Cardowan.............this one time member of the Communist party has sold his soul to the British establishment, though he is not the only one eh Dan?

My objection is bringing this new uber British labour party credentials to paradise. Let labour play this card for the huns and for the big business that buy their souls.

You also mention the innocents at Warrington..........true a total disgrace that has been matched by your British army pals several times over in Ireland and elsewhere. There is no heirarchy in the murder of children whether commited by terrorist groups like HM's legal or illegal army, police or militia's/death squads, or groups like the IRA dedicated to an Ireland of equals.

Yep the Ra re-modelled Manchester costing the establishment billions, killing no-one and essentially securing the peace process. Major was delaying it to keep the orange votes in Parliament, for as we know the orangies had to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way down the path of peace. Primarily by Blair and Clinton.

 

True but their attitude towards other fans is awful claiming that they are the only "real" celtic fans which * me off considering they do nothing but get the club into trouble, a have mates in the GB but if they don't calm down then i would have no problem with them being banned