are arsenal bigger than us

I couldn't be * caring who has more plastic fans or not.
On the revenue -- yes... 60m for broadcasting is obscene. It's probably more than our operating budget
I assume the private deal is a reference to Real. If you've got the government wrapped around your finger enough that you can sell them Highbury two or three times without them realizing they already own it... then I agree. Otherwise, not really worth comparing any finances to Real.

 

Exactly mate and they are fans of our club because of what we stand for, not because of it's what on the telly

Heres a wee video from Dussledorf in Germany where we have many, many true fans. The big man in the hoops a member on here

On ye go Paddy :icon_mrgreen:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvGO5iTBodE[/YOUTUBE]

This happens all over the world

 

Nobody is very friendly over the internet.
And this is a sporting forum where we can all enjoy some banter... so I wouldn't take it to heart.

 

Yeap, found operating expenses at 61.36 for 2009, 64.09 for 2008. Slight reduction as we threw the league away at the end.

 

I can take banter mate but that was a insult! I've not been offensive or slagged your club off i don't expect that from your fans

 

Linfield FC have won 48 league titles and 39 cups so far, and boast over 200 honours. I guess by your logic they are bigger than Arsenal or Celtic.


Nobody minds you putting your argument forward, but to be flippant over some niggly points isn't fair play is it?

 

any difference you see between the scottish/english and the northern irish league?? why not take europe as a comparing ground then??

the english and the scottish leagues were pretty comparable until the money came in your side. and even after that capital injection you havent won much. so comparing them is a fair picture of who the bigger club is.

i have already admitted that in recent years, you have been the better team but only after the money came in. on the other hand, even in such circumstances, we were always competitive and that is commendable.

 

Well certainly. You have the main leagues in Europe: Permiership, La liga, Serie A and maybe the Bundesliga. Next you have Ligue 1, Eredivisie, Portugese liga, Russian premier league and Turkish superliga. Then you have SPL and the leagues of Greece, Denmark, Poland, Sweden etc. UEFA have their own rankings for you to see UEFA coefficient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arsenal have two European trophies to Celtic's one, but I wouldn't use that as conclusive proof for anything. Nottingham Forest have two European cups, are they bigger than Celtic in your eyes?

In any case all I'm trying to argue that these sorts of arguments are fruitless as they often prove inconclusive. No Arsenal fan is claiming to be the best of the best, or that Celtic are not big. What we are trying to say is that this total dismissal of ourselves is totally patronising and boorish and based on emotion rather than honest dialogue.

 

Theres alot to be said for celtic's popularity considering the lack of media attention of the spl

 

mate the uefa co-efficient system is quite stupid. we have discussed it in length in the other thread. even then it is based on the recent performances which cannot prove that which club is better. my only point is create a level playing field and then we would see which club is better. as of now we are better :icon_mrgreen:

isnt those the one match cups bcoz as far as my knowledge goes the champions league or the traditional european cup hasnt gone to london yet. the european cup winners cup and some inter city cup isnt it.nottingham forest cannot be considered simply because they couldnt sustain their performances and were relegated.

as rafa would say all that i have spoken are fachts . there is no doubt that arsenal laden with money have been better than us recently but take the overall picture and we outshine them. peace

 

Nobody here is arguing that Arsenal are by any long distance a bigger club, or just a bigger club at all.

We Arsenal fans simply object to some of the crass, dismissive and patronising attitude show towards our club by some on here, on shaky grounds. We came to engage in friendly and knowledgeable banter, only for some of you (and I stress "some") to take a big swipe at us.

 

I don't want to sound comtemptuous but the English and Scottish leagues were never comparable, pre SKY or post it.

As for dismissing Nottingham Forest, they still won European cups than you and as I recollect, you were using trophies as a decisive barometer. and you also dismissed Linfield's better league record to yours even though it applies to your trophy haul criteria.

As for your last point, it isn't as if Celtic or Rangers have never used financial might to subdue the likes of Aberdeen, Hearts, Motherwell, Dundee etc over the last 120 years is it?

 

i always thought spurs fans were delusional as they estimate their clubs worth much more than it is but celtic fans seems to be bigger comedians, i can imagine people all over the world who would really know the real situation that how arsenal r such a global brand (doesnt matter how they achieved it) and on reading this comedy posted by celtic fans that how they r such a big club they would be having a laugh of lifetime.
before this i heard how honest and original celtic fans were but after knowing the huge amount of ignorance and lack of knowledge from celtic fans i have lost all respect i had for them.

 

the gap went beyond repair after sky came in. it wasnt as if both the leagues were miles apart in terms of quality before but now it is.

i also used consistency despite having a shoe string budget as a barometer but you gladly missed it.

there will always be some difference between the mid table sides and top sides in a league and the difference is comparable to an extent in the spl. in the english league even the finishing 17th has around 30-35 million quids to spend. that is like 3 times the budget of our team.

 

You keep shifting the goalposts to suit your agenda.

Pre SKY and Heysel disaster, English clubs regularly competed in the finals of all the the three European competitions, some years there were two of the three cups won by English sides. Even if not winning you would get them in the final at least. Ipswich, Nottingham Forest, Man city, Leeds United, Newcastle United, Spurs, West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton, Arsenal, Man utd, Liverpool, Chelsea between them have so many European trophies and campaigns before the SKY era. Despite the efforts of the Old Firm, the Scottish league could never match this. So pleas stop saying it's just the SKY money. Yes it's helped tremendously, but the wide gap between England and scotland already existed.

It's always convenient to argue the money thing when comparing the Old Firm to England, but also convenient to cover it up when comparing the old firm to the rest of Scotland's clubs.

 

So your a brand now are you, is that all

Celtic worldwide is not a brand! The club may try and sell it as that but the fans are a very large network of like minded people who share very similar views. We accept everyone and on the most part everyone accepts us anywhere we go. We have many friends from Barcelona to St Pauli who respect us for our what we are.

Because Celtic fans are saying that we feel we are a bigger club isn't an attack on your club but merely pointing out that all the money in the world couldn't buy what we have at Celtic, as fans.

 

There are some who have gone further than that and totally dismissed us altogether. That is what we object to, nothing else.

 

Your always gonna get things taken the wrong way when speaking passionately about your club to other fans on the internet. Its hard sometimes for me and I assume other to type out exactly what we mean. Things get taken the wrong way and all that.

I'm sure you could have this debate with the majority of our support in a pub environment and that offense wouldn't be there. Its all about this stupid text entry system we have with us all bashing away on our keys, its hard to express what you mean properly sometimes.

 

i have already said that the gap was there but was not as big as it is now. you figure why?? arsenal won the european cup winners cup once in 94. city won it once in the 70's. chelsea in 71. newcastle didnt win a major european trophy. stop glorifying them.

again i have already conceded that the old firm have always had more money to spend but that has been comparable and not over the odds. the pattern that exists in every league is there in the spl too with the top clubs being better financially. int the english league, you have sunderland spending more than everton and aston villa. how is that justified ??

 

Fair do's, Mr Nice.