are arsenal bigger than us

Sorry but that argument dont work,no matter what angle you try and look at epl and most of the teams its still down to money.
The reason you are a selling club just now is because you went and took out a 400 million mortgage to build a stadium....and why did the bank give you such a huge amount of money....? because you play in the worlds biggest cash cow.
Why is your scouting system working so well for you....because you spent 100 million getting it working right,how could you afford to do this....?becuase you play in the worlds biggest cash cow.
Why are all these young skilled world beaters coming to arsenal.....cash cow again.
CASH CASH CASH it makes every thing happen and every thing takes cash you just cant get away from it.
Next year when man city comes and buys Fabregas off you for 200 million you will see what a joke football has become.

 

wow...

there is alot of bitterness and jealousy coming from celtic fans in this thread.

and anyone that compares arsenals acheivements against celtics acheivements are retards, and actually shows how narrow minded they are, and how much knowledge they have of the various domestic leagues.

and please stop making refernces to the lisbon lions. that was over 40 years ago, before all the mass amounts of money came into the game.


by the way, im not an arsenal fan, but a realistic celtic fan

 

I think that's kind of the point...
ie: Celtic won it with local players developed organically. Arsenal, inundated with ridiculous amounts of money, can't even succeed in buying it. Goes for Chelski too.

 

That is the point

That was when football was football and we were pulling in crowds over 100,000 strong for some games with very little money in the game.

Money can't buy or even come close to replicating the feat achieved by the Lions and that is fact.

I wonder what were Arsenal doing back in 67 I wonder and what was the crowds like?

 

so celtic are a bigger club than arsenal because they won the european cup ( not champions league ) over 40 years ago before all the money came into the game?

sorry, thats extremley narrow minded. alot of other teams won the european cup. that doesnt necessarily mean their bigger than celtic or arsenal

this whole thread is just a pathetic never ending debate, with really stupid "facts" that have absolutly nothing to do with how big each of the clubs are.

the end article, wether you like it or not, is that;
celtic 40 years ago = bigger team
celtic 20 years ago = bigger team
celtic 10 years ago = comparitive with arsenal, but probably little bit bigger
celtic 5 years ago = little bit less than arsenal
celtic now = behind arsenal


theres no point in whining about sky, and all the money in the game, because the only people that are whining about it are the celtic fans. get over it

 

Arshavin - about right, maybe a bit more
Baptista - It was a loan deal with reyes going on loan the other way
Nasri - 12m
Sagna - 6 m
Eduardo - 7.5m
Hleb - On a deal which could of reached 15million euros (never did) Sold for 17million euros
Adebayor - 4m Sold for 25 million
Rosicky - 6.8m
Walcott - 5m
Reyes - 10.5m Sold for 8 million
(Gilberto?) Silva - 4.5m Sold for 1.5 million
Van Bronckhorst - 8.5m - Don't know fee, part exchange for fabregas
(Richard?) Wright - between 2-6 million
Pires - 6m Free transfer
Wiltord - 13m Free transfer
Edu - 6m Free transfer
Jeffers - 8m Sold for 2.6 million
Henry - 10m Sold for 16 million
Lauren - 7.2m Sold for .5 million

Sylvinho 4m (i don't know)
Toure 150k Sold for 16 m
Cygan 2m Sold for 2m
Song 1m
Eboue 1m (i don't know)
Diaby 2m
Diarra 2m Sold for 5.5 million + a fair amount of his 22m fee to madrid
Senderos 2.5m
Denilson 6.4m
Freeman 200k
Clichy 250k
Van Persie 2.75m

Oh and when are some of you going to understand that arsenal get their money to buy players from selling not asking their owners to lend them 50 million, trying to compare us with chelsea who spent around £100 million in one season is stupid.

 

Please. Half the teams in EPL even moan about the differences in funds.
The thing is a LOT of people, not just Celtic, think the money has taken the game back a step. We're hardly the only club in this situation.

As for who is bigger -- you'll notice I haven't addressed that. It's purely subjective and fairly pointless.
All I've addressed in this thread is Arsenals' relationship to money. Without it, they are nothing and they never did anything in particular to earn said money either. All the credit for that goes to Sky for breaking the market wide open.

As for jealousy, pfft. I'm no ManUre fan but at least I can respect that even without Sky they're a classy team. They were also a decade ahead of Sky when it came to global branding. In that way, they at least have a solid argument for creating their own success.
But Arsenal, Chelski, and ManShitty? Bah. Without Sky they'd be nothing, and when the bubble bursts they'll return to being nothing.

 

Your logic is all wrong mate and sadly so is the logic of the majority of people who have sat back and let the rich * take over the whole world. Money and the power that brings does not belong in sport. Money is the only reason Arsenal are in your opinion, bigger than us.

A football club should be judged on footballing achievements.

Size of support is also a factor but when you start look at the methods that have been used by the TV companies to recruit these 'fans' then it loses all credibility.

Celtic are a club who from day 1 stood for something right and true. The followers of this great club try to carry that ethos with them in their daily lives.

We have had massive gates right thoughout our history and right up to the present day with a support who is as passionate about the football as they are about our history and battle to be fully accepted by the bigots of the country we play in.

We are a massive club who's values echo throughout the world and has made us many great friends from far and wide.

Arsenal have fans from far and wide because of marketing techniques and a thirst for money.

 

This has been done to death. Arsenal are not a bigger club than Celtic. As a business, yes they have a larger turnover, pay more in transfer fees, make more through TV money and as a result actually have a chance of winning the biggest prizes in the game. However football is different from every other business, it is not a level playing field. You are penalised and discriminated against merely due to geographical location.

Celtic are a bigger club than Arsenal in terms of what we are, what we stand for, our history, our brand of supporters. We have millions of actual supporters throughout the world supporters who pack themselves into supporters clubs at 3am to watch us play. Supporters who care about every detail of what goes on at Celtic. Supporters who travel across the globe a couple of times a year just to attend a match at Paradise. Arsenal on the other hand have drifitng fans who attach themselves to the club for various reasons, (ie/ they play in the English Premiership, they play nice football, they like their strip, they have a nice stadium, they like one of the players etc...).

It's too difficult to establish who is bigger than who, finance is not the only factor but I suspect that if we were on a level playing field financially, we would easily dwarf Arsenal in every department.

There is something about Celtic that only a handful of clubs have, a passion, a love and a togetherness that goes beyond the realms of normal sport. Celtic to its supporters is everything. As Tommy Burns once said - "When you pull on the Celtic jersey, you're not just playing for a footballl team, you're playing for a people and a cause." You can't really say that for Arsenal...

 

Some points here...
- I don't deny Arsenal have made some hefty profits, but all the players in the top half aren't even worth talking about. Just look in the Fortune thread and see how panicky people get over something as little as 3.75m signing that hasn't scored a hat trick in every game yet.
- You completely ignored the point about Capital. Without already having capital it's impossible to even start that process.
- Furthermore there is the issue of wages. Celtic doesn't have the cash cow to afford wages for any of the players that are decent and the ones that came on the cheap wouldn't go to Celtic because they could get better wages at a shithole like Hull. So again, not going to happen.

As has been pointed out several times now... all of this boils down to 1 thing that you MUST have to run that kind of system: CAPITAL.
That or a passport-creating business with strong links to South America like Porto.

 

On the money side of thing then yes. But support no and we are known more world wide that arsenal. Our support is second to none.

 

to be precise, we still have our soul intact while arsenal have sold it for a stockpile of cash

 

Capital at any football club that has been around longer than 40 years is built up slowly over time, or through innovative (well they're not really that innovative) fund raising events, as well as the large cash boost from sky

And in terms of fanbase, i mentioned in a previous post a report by Granada Sports says that there are approximately 27 million arsenal fans worldwide, the third largest in the world. I also said earlier there is no denying that your supporters are some of the most passionate in the world, but don't try to tell me that all of your fans over the world live and die by the club. There's no doubting that those live in glasgow, and perhaps some from Ireland do. Did I forget to mention arsenal haven't had any tickets go on general sale for a league match in a long long time, and that we have the highest percentage of foreign nationals attending matches in the whole of England.

 

lol! Now that's naive. Arsenal got it all in one big dump from Sky.

Well if having Osama Bin Laden as a fan makes Arsenal bigger, you can have it.

 

do you know for real how many of the 27 million are passionate?? do you know how many became arsenal fans after the double you guys did ?? or how many became gooners after the global publicity that you guys and sky did hand in hand. we may not have the number in our favour but on the passionate:muppet ratio, we would win hands down :icon_mrgreen:

 

you forgot saddam too. afterall emirates comes from the gulf no??

 

One minute some celtic fans are saying we've got more fans etc etc, if you've got more fans they have to be mainly from another country, there is not that many people in scotland, and there is a fair few more in england.

Also i found this quite interesting (it is a bit outdated i know) maybe the big four should forget about sky and sell their tv rights off individually if that makes you happier so that sky are out of the equation

 

As I said earlier, we have supporters packed in to actual organised Celtic Supporters Clubs for every match whether it's St Johnstone or Barcelona in every city in North America, Australia & New Zealand as well as many dotted throughout Europe and Asia. I know as i've been in a good number of them. We are massive!

 

Forget it Gooner what ever we say in there mind there the bigger club and in ours we are!

 

And as for insulting me calling me trigger thats just wrong! I'm here to help raise money for John Hartson charity Tenovus not here for a slagging match! I thought your fans where supposed to be friendly