Another warzone we will be staying out of

1993 was the year of the somalia action
there was no fox news
bin laden wasn't a threat he didnt become one till 1996
so how could we have been going for an associate of his when he wasn't on our radar yet?

 

i suggest you read the book i mentioned.he was most definitely on "your radar"

 

I don't think it's fair to say the reason western countries will stay out of the DR Congo is because it has no oil. It has vast mineral wealth including gold, cobalt, diamonds, copper and coltan which has a huge market in the mobile phone industry.

The policing of the DR Congo falls under the remit of both the African Union and the UN. If they can't sort the place out then questions should be asked of them instead of fingers being pointed to the west to sort out Africa's problems.

 

also i love the way you cherrypick what you'll respond to.i'll take it as an admission on your part that what i'm saying is right

 

mate i served in sierra leone while in the army and they had no commodities that would intrest uk or us, must admit it does seem that more help goes to countries with problems that can offer something in return tho

 

what the arms dealing sure we did it... its a fact, like everything i said to you is a fact. i dont argue things i know to be correct.

sorry little guy youre wrong about somalia. had nothing to do with terrorism.

 

sierra leone = diamonds. de beers would disagree with you.

 

little guy?lol!

 

lol sorry... slipped out.

 

not a bother.tell me ,where abouts in the big smoke do hail from?

 

lads...we're already fighting the huns come on!!!!

 

brooklyn these days mate.

 

i'm moving back over in a few weeks,to inwood.i've been missing my dominican *!i thought brooklyn was strictly for non palefaces?

 

bay ridge is one of the last places... still a bunch of italians irish and norwegian these days.... its no bad.

 

KD, Africa is an oil rich country, it's just that China has got in there first with the promise of builing an ifrastructure for the African Nation in return for it's oil.



However, with such things. Sadly, it's open to corruption and it's usually the military junta's that reap the benifit's and not the people.

 

whats really giving the chinese a massive advantage is that unlike western countries,the chinese aren't making any of their aid agreements dependent on human rights.the despots are getting the same money as the would from the west except now they don't have to pay lip service to cleaning up their acts

 

with that map it looks like your about to plan an attack!!

 

That book does not go very in depth in the life of Aidid, I'd read something else on his character if I were you... he was a terrible, terrible man. Ironically, his son was a US Marine who served in Somalia.

America found out the harsh realities of trusting too much in the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic when Sadaam and the Afghan fighters turned on them. However, despite the fact that Aidid was involved in the anti-American "trade" or whatever you wish to call it does not mean he wasn't a bad guy... have you seen or read Blackhawk Down? Well... one of my dad's friends flew Blackhawks during the Somalia missions and everyday they'd drop the food, cars would roll up and shoot people and take the food for themselves. This is what he saw, and he wasn't exactly some high up strategic general at the time. He was just a normal pilot. Until the more famous event which the book was based on, the Somalis just never shot at the helicopters so under the ROE the UN wasn't allowed to do anything.

The UN could very well have made a difference there but Clinton, who lacked a spine when it came to military issues (I have a very, very strong personal hatred for him for how he dealt with a certain situation in Iraq) decided that the US military was supposed to be invincible and that now that some of them had died they were forced to come home. This is in direct contrast to many of the people on the ground who believed that they could still help, and that they had learned from the mistakes of the botched mission. The ONE legitimate place we have gone into in the last 50 years, we leave as soon as something goes wrong... because there is nothing material in it for us.

I genuinely don't think you'll see a sizable force in the Congo... just like you didn't see anything other than pathetic "peacekeepers" in Rwanda. Just so you guys know, it is estimated that over 5 million people have died there over the past 10-15 years from either war or "secondhand" effects like preventable and curable disease, mines, and other things that would normally be treatable.

 

i woudn't need to read about much more than the company he kept to come to a conclusion about his character.obviously a scumbag of the highest order.one legitamate place.that kind of answers the argument of whether america is a force for good in the world or not doesn't it?read the shock doctrine.creating false crise's and using them as an excuse to plunder nations wholesale.supressing democracy in chile,tampering with it in italy and australia.iraq was america just being blunt about its position in the world

 

You will never find me, nor another American on this site claim that America is the good guys in the world, policing it out of good faith. We are looking out for our own interests, plain and simple. Obviously that makes a bigger impact on the world because we are now (for about the next 5 years at least) the only superpower in the world. It is what it is and you should stop assuming that we think otherwise, it makes you look silly arguing a fact, and restating something that has been stated ad nauseum, that we already agree with.

One thing that I urge you to do is to look at the other side of all the books you read. You seem like a person who has an understanding of what goes on, but books from both sides are equally deceptive. The biggest one is your reference of The Israel Lobby and United States Foreign Policy. There have been numerous and vociferous critics to that book that have no stake in either side of the argument... I'm not saying it's false I'm just urging you to be more skeptical of all the books you read.