Ange Postecoglou

He and his family were already set for life at Celtic. There's zero evidence that he moved to Spurs for money.

 

That’s a pretty big assumption to make. Moving to a premiership team literally allows him to have a completely different level of wealth, and offer it on a multi-generational level.

The reported salary he’s on at spurs is £5m per year, compared to a reported figure of £2m at Celtic. Had money not been one of the factors behind him deciding to move, they could’ve paid him exactly the same terms he was on while he was at Celtic.

This doesn’t even take into account the fact that if you’re successful at Spurs you’ll go to a top, top club, earning ridiculous money. It’s just not realistic to suggest that people who are wealthy don’t seek more when presented with the opportunity.

 

Not much of an assumption, mate. Unless he has some horrific gambling addiction we don't know about, he and his family already were set for life before he joined Spurs.

Yes, he will have reached a whole new level of wealth by managing Spurs. That is very clear. Where have I ever denied that? Multi-generational? Very likely. No argument there. However, that's something very, very, very different to "a near 60 year old man who has set himself and his family up for life by signing a deal with Spurs." There's no moral equivalence.

Slightly off-topic, but it truly sickens me to see so many young people quoting "multi-generational wealth" as a good thing these days. It's a clear sign of how sick we are as a society. As recently as 20 years ago, we used to see unearned, inherited wealth as a problem to be solved rather than something to aspire to. I'm not having a go at you young people btw. I don't think it's your fault that the values of the entire Anglosphere have become so horribly twisted. It's our fault.

 

It’s and assumption because being ‘set for life’ means entirely different things to different people. A high level professional in a very lucrative field isn’t going to view being set for life in the same way someone who works a minimum wage job is. You experience lifestyle creep, and you just your own financial situation relative to your peers.

Reaching a whole new level of wealth at Spurs is my point. It’s a wealthy man becoming wealthier, but it’s also significant enough to mean genuine lifestyle change for him and those around him.

I’m largely in favour of taxes that redistribute unearned wealth, but I don’t blame anyone for trying to earn enough to set family up.

 

I guess some people might mean "extremely rich" when they say "set for life", although I don't think that's what it usually means. When people say that, I usually picture someone on a working-class or even a middle-class wage making it and getting a really good wage that means they can pay off their mortgage and make sure their kids never want for anything they need; I don't picture a rich man becoming super-rich.

Regardless, if you're interpreting "set for life" to mean "extremely rich", then it really doesn't make sense to offer that as an excuse for going to Spurs. Call a spade a spade, mate. If he went for the money (which I personally don't believe btw), then he didn't go to make sure his family had everything they need; he went to become extremely rich. That's just not an excuse.

Don't get me wrong. You won't find a single post from me criticising him for taking the Spurs job. If I'm wrong and he did move for the money, I won't resent him for it or begrudge him that; I just won't put him in the same category as someone who takes a job to make sure their family is set for life. It's just not the same thing.

 

All I’m saying is that money will have factored into his decision, and the amount in question does represent a material change for him.

It’s self evident unless Spurs decided to treble his wages for the craic.

 

That is indeed self-evident, I agree; but that's not all you were saying at all. You said that anyone begrudging him that sort of move "wasn't thinking it through" and among the reasons you gave for that assertion was that "He’s a near 60 year old man who has set himself and his family up for life by signing a deal with Spurs." This is what I have been disagreeing with you over.

If you had merely said that money will have factored into his decision and the amount in question represents a material change for him, I wouldn't have disagreed. I don't disagree with that. How could I?

 

2-1 down now at home to Leicester, after being 1 nil up..

If he doesn't turn this one around that will be that I think..

 

Aye he's gone if they don't turn this around

 

They aren't getting relegated, they aren't finishing top 4. Win the Europa and he has them in CL and gets the trophy spurs thing off their back.. I was sure a result like today may see him gone but you never know he may be given a free hit in the league

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I'd be surprised if he's sacked, if they were going to sack him they would have done it already.

At this point they are probably just going to let him see what happens when their players return.

If he has most of his team back by March and they don't start to pick up wins and look back on form fropm then on until the end of the season then he'll probably get sacked at the end of the season.

Only thing is they have two tough Cup games away to Liverpool and Aston Villa and I don't think many of their players will be back by then so they'll likely go out both Cups with a whimper. So by the time they have a team on the park they'll only really be in the EL.

 

Don't know.. could get relegated if they don't act.. players have chucked it..

 

Aye, he's done.

Injuries are one thing but the players, Son aside, seem to have given up.

 

I wouldn't really say players have chucked it though, when they get beat they are mostly only losing by 1 goal so they are battling away.

Just their team is very weak. Like today they have that young keeper with a weak defence, midfield with no creativity and then no pace going forward, it is a struggle for them to win games. Everyone in the EPL should really be capable of taking 2 goals off that Spurs defence.

 

Can't see him surviving this tbh

 

Bournemouth have injuries too

 

Bournemouth don't really have first team injuries though, they only have 1 or 2 of their starting XI out and 5/6 of their subs.

Spurs have been playing about 2 month with half their team missing and half their bench and mostly all guys who'd play every game.

Like today Vicario, Romero, Van De Ven, Udogie, Maddison and Solanke would all start and Spence, Johnson, Werner would all have been subbed on giving them good pace off the bench to end the game.

A big part of their problem hasn't really just been half the team missing but the bench has also been missing so everyone playing is really playing out of neccessity and they have been run into the ground a bit like Gray and Bergvall even that Spence plus Kulusevski and Son can never really be taken off.

 

Well you've also got to question why they have so many injuries as well then.

 

It’s the manner of the defeats and draws though,today they’re leading at half time,46th minute they concede then again four mins later…just colllapse after collapse.

 

I'll be surprised if he survives this month