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Ange Postecoglou

Discussion in 'Ex Players' started by Mr. Slippyfist, May 29, 2021.

Discuss Ange Postecoglou in the Ex Players area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Needs a re think.

    Even with them they had two midfielders who sat back a bit more and allowed the 4 attackers to go foe it for the most part.

    We just chuck everything forward in what often appears to be a really incohesive movement. It appears like unorganised chaos too often for us in Europe.
     
  2. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    The midfield is a bigger issue than the backline. We give it zero protection.

    Even if its CCV and someone else in there tonight it's the same result.
     
  3. McChiellini..

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    Every turnover we look bang in trouble..

    Massive gaps. Easily bypassed..

    Just a slight tweak of having 2 sitters, as mentioned.....would help big time..
     
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  4. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Our control of games isn't there.

    It just seems manic for 90 mins. For instance at numerous key moments tonight what was needed was some composure and just take the sting out of it for 10 mins.

    No period more so than when they'd just had their second * goal disallowed of the evening. What does Hart decide to do? Try and play an eye of the needle pass out to Taylor when they have 3 attackers pressing and all our defenders wrong side.

    I get that we are true to the style but a part of me is now thinking perhaps a bit too brainwashed into it. He has to just use his own head there and realise the pass isn't on. Sacrifice the playing style, less than 30 seconds after getting off with another one. Harts interview after the game says as much, using the style as an excuse for just sheer idiocy at a key moment in the game. That doesn't wash.

    It just completely killed us stone dead. And gives them a boost and a justified feeling, not to mention a goal most crucially. Not street smart and combine that with pish tactics and we will not do anything in Europe forever, pretty much.

    * poor.
     
  5. Officer Doofy Come to me, human man Gold Member

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    It was always on the cards.

    Playing in Europe against quality teams with Callum McGregor as the deepest of a midfield three is suicidal. We had three centre mids with barely a defensive bone in their body.
     
  6. martin_d

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    Yeah, ‘we never stop’ sounds great, but look at some of the best playmaking midfield set-ups, and it’s clear they do take the appropriate time to make a pass, even the ‘gegenpressing’ guys - your Liverpools and the like - they have at one guy whose job it is to occasionally reset the tempo and pull the strings.
    We have guys who can do this, but Ange seems to want them all to be runners first and foremost, rather than alongside other attributes. It’s extreme and nigh-on unworkable at this level of football with a team from our level of league/finance.

    Imagine De Bruyne if he were running for literally 95% of the time - what a waste. And that’s a guy who’s got pace and a high effort level. Can you imagine Ange coaching the modern Celtic-level equivalent of a Juan Roman Riquelme? He’d tear him to shreds.
     
  7. Pogues

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    Also we press so high with so many bodies it leaves a massive amount of space in midfield, impossible to cover. A lot of times O'Riley and kyogo sprinted to close down the same man/keeper at the same time, one pass takes them out the game. Seemed to be a lack of coordination.
     
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  8. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Aye our press has been inconsitent for a while IMO. It was good against Real actually but we couldn't last the distance. Shakhtar they sat in against us for most of that match.

    It makes it a * of a lot easier to play round us if it's not in sync. And good players will do that easily.
     
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    Good point on the last bit..

    That's probably why you're no seeing O'Riley as influential as he's capable of..

    He's one paced and doing that much leg work box to box and pulling out wide that he isn't getting in to it where he ideally wants to..

    Someone like him needs time on the ball/pockets and he'll 100% make thing's happen. The pace of these game's in Europe and the way we're contributing to that....isn't doing player's like him much good..

    It needs to be slightly more balanced i think. No one's asking for it to be ripped up and to park the bus....just tempered a touch. That was a tough game tonight, they're a right good side with loads of pace. Play the game, take the sting out of it. Waste time. A draw would've been a great result..

    Aw well..
     
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    I've said this for a while on here but our gung-ho style is too erratic in Europe. Our two main leaders in McGregor and Hart often treat the ball like a hot potato and zip it around at 100mph. Constantly rushing and hurrying every bit of play. It's madness, this isn't five-a-side.

    We need to be more savvy and cute to control a game. It's alright doing that in the first 20 minutes against Madrid at Parkhead as a tactic, but what's the * point away at Leipzig when we're drawing at 60 minutes.

    It obviously comes from Ange but surely the players need to use their heads a bit better. I get why Ange likes the tactic but at the top level it's too haphazard to the point where our shape is all over the shop and we are just gifting away possession every few minutes when we should be getting our foot on the ball and dictating the play.
     
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    Quite pragmatic about the result.

    we are struggling for confidence a bit. Confidence stems from the back. Ccv remains the most important member of our 11.

    Hart was an accident waiting to happen for 5 minutes. We went in to a mode of lethargy and panic.

    That wasn’t what the manager wanted.

    I’ll give hart an easy get out of jail today too. He exudes confidence but really I don’t think he has any ball at foot.

    need to take a bit of pressure off him which ccv does

    we will learn a lot from today.

    we move on.
     
  12. FrankMcCallum

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    Exactly.

    I get that the manager is asking the team to play out, but that doesn’t mean it should be used as a cop out.

    No system or style of play in world football should be used as an excuse for players making horrendous decisions.
     
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  13. aliceinsound

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    If he can't get Angeball to work for us in Europe, he won't necessarily get the opportunity to do it for a team who can qualify for the champions league with a significantly higher budget anyway. RB Leipzig's financial advantage over us is probably less than what we have over Bodo, and while RB Leipzig spend more money they made a €40 million profit on player trading, while we spent about £20 million and brought in very little

    He also has a budget similar to Club Brugge, Salzburg and sporting Lisbon who are sitting top of their groups. We have the budget to compete in the champions league group stage

    Which is not to say I'm that critical of how we've done, a point from these 3 games isnt a disaster going into the two winnable home games. We've still got an away draw against a Shaktar side who are clearly not pish
     
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    This is it. Every time we lost the ball today it was watch-through-your-fingers stuff.
     
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    When we had a more defensive minded guy in Abilgaard on we were nowhere near what we were with McGregor there. Abilgaard sat 5 yards further back, won a lot of duels, done well, but we couldn’t get a grip of the midfield at all.

    Might be different if it was him and McGregor infront of him, but the more ‘open’ style on the front foot, we competed far better.

    Could also be different sitting back more soaking up pressure if it’s CCV at the back, but even though I know we would be better defensively, I don’t think inviting pressure and being stingy in defence with him there would be a winning formula for us.
     
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    One thing I think we should all recognise as well, Marco Rose and that team are some of the best counter attacking play in Europe.

    And that’s also our biggest weakness.
     
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    This!

    They play some excellent football. Very much like us. It's just they have better players than us and took there chances. They didn't lose one of there very important midfielders to injury. It's just one of them games. We out it into perspective, draw a line and move in from it. It's the CL remember. A massive step up from our domestic league. It was just one of them nights I suppose.
     
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  18. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I still think when he was brought on for mcgregor we were wide open though because of the way the two in front are asked to play.

    For me it should be two deeper midfielders and one advanced. Certainly away in Europe.

    Someone mentioned it above bit every single turnover of possession we look like conceding a chance on goal. That's not gonna get us anywhere.

    Gaps all over the park.
     
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    Keep going g back to his reasoning for sticking to his system in my head. He always says 'if you change to a more defensive system looking for a result, you don't learn anything about yourself'.

    What exactly are we learning by being open then? Only lessons I can see is that we are not good enough to play his style at CL level, which can only mean.....ADAPT.
     
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    Exactly this, imagine pirlo in one of his sides!!!

    Dont get me wrong i love Ange and he has taken us forward but we need a tactical rethink in europe, sometimes we attack like kids at fives with the whole team expected to go forward, it leaves huge gaping holes and the better teams are exploiting it.

    Against shakhtar we miss one ball and it leads to a player marching in on goal and scoring, last night we go from nearly scoring mcgregor misses a tackle and again a team is right on us and it leads to a goal.

    Last night was a total disaster, it was 3 going on 6 ffs, taylor closer to rb at times, hart had a night to forget, we were so narrow at times, oriley pressing the keeper left a gaping hole, then mcgregor in turn stepping up left the freedom of the park for nkunku, szboszlai and silva, im sure they couldnt believe it also.

    Ange needs a rethink here, 2 disciplined sitting mids is a must going forward, keeper needs told to boot it if needed.
    Im still disgusted tbh.