'Honest' mistakes 24/25

Was it no a couple of seasons ago when we got a goal disallowed at Motherwell with another crazy, completely non-conclusive camera angle?

It was either Jota or Maeda and the camera angle was from the shy line in our own half. Absolutely no way yhey could have told what was offside and what wasn't. But yhey chopped it off anyway

 

its * ridiculous ,i couldnt believe it when they said during the game they dont have goal line technology in scotland .how much is another 10 or so cameras likley to cost that they aint already in place

 

jesus christ ,thats perhaps the most mental thing i have ever read on here

 

This in a nutshell. We all know if the linesman said the ball went out of play there would be no VAR to check if the ball was still in.

I'd be interested to know if there's any law re VAR and the ball being out of play. Pretty sure there won't be. What it certainly isn't, is a CLEAR and OBVIOUS error.

 

Being used to re referee the game and even worse is that you can't even tell if it is or is not with the camera being around 18yds or more away and not in line with play and even a slight angle can make it look in or out on a camera depending on where the camera is situated.

If its unclear and the linesman has not flagged it then benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker as it simply cannot be proven otherwise.

As above...not a clear and obvious error.

 

Ironically Muir was the guy at the centre of the controversy around the Scales incident in the Cup final wasnt he? The guy Rangers basically demanded not to be re-instated after it. So both sets of the OF think the guy is at it.

Hes made so many bad mistakes on VAR its probably a case hes just not very good and should be punted.

 

CeltsAreHere understands that Celtic are pushing the SFA for a definitive image that was used to chop off Daizen Maeda’s equaliser against Hibernian at Easter Road on Saturday


The Hoops have asked for the image and footage that led VAR Alan Muir to his final decision to rule out the goal, with the ball allegedly having gone out of play


Celtic are looking to see if a more conclusive angle was used by Muir to make the controversial decision


If a camera angle closer to the ball was used, it would clear up the confusion. However, if Muir made his decision based on the 18-yard line camera around the edge of the box, that video wouldn’t be definitive or conclusive enough to make such a huge call.

UEFA often utilises the camera behind the goal to make VAR calls, but with Scottish football lacking the same funding, it appears unlikely that they will be able to supply conclusive evidence that the ball was out of play

Brendan Rodgers did discuss the controversial decision post-match with the Irishman. Having coached in England for a number of years, he spoke about how Scottish football doesn’t have the same standard of equipment as English football due to not having as many cameras at the game


If it is revealed that Muir made the call to overrule referee Steven MacLean and the assistant referees, who would have had the best view of the ball, it’s certainly likely to be a difficult situation for SFA Head of Referee Operations Willie Collum to have to deal with.

Put simply, if the goal wasn’t ruled out, Celtic would have been level in the game with momentum on their side and had the chance to go on and secure a win. Instead, they suffered defeat through a controversial call that has yet to be backed up by any conclusive evidence

 

It was, and a candidate for goal of the season.

 

Yep. Was a sensational Jota finish. Camera angle they used was shocking

 

Made up a story about the proper var camera in the correct position happened to be watching the dugout... or it proved be was onside so went with the * camera more likely.

 

Be interesting to see this one out, how will they explain hiw he can't overrule the 2 people on the park with that 18 yard pigeon shot, especially seeing as linesman could be judged to have best view

 

When can we expect to hear an explanation?

 

Need to trade in the low budget 3x mobile phone camera system they have today and get the proper full system other leagues have.
Or do away with it.
Feckin cheapskates.

 

Yeah, if we can’t have a full proper system then we should just get rid of it !! There should 100 percent be cameras along the goal lines. Seems to be causing more problems than before at the moment

 

Surprised nothing has been released yet. No video, var or even a statement.
If it was the huns, the Var audio and apology would’ve been ages ago

 

They are * squirming with this......Huns moan and complain about everything..its normal for them.....But for Rodgers to loose his * is different.

We will get a * camera angle and be given a slight apology in the hopes we move on with it.

I want the Audio that led to this and an explanation to it all.

Its not about it being in or out now its about a ludicrous decision given against us again and how they got to it.

 

Ok, I'm going to do the unthinkable, and actually defend him here... If he's somehow being FORCED into making decisions (he shouldn't be!) using cameras that aren't suitable for the job (there should be more, and more optimal placement!) against the written rules that he's not supposed to interfere without definitive evidence of a miscarriage (there wasn't!) then the position for the VAR referees is untenable!

Collum needs to be very clear on this, as there's only 3 options - that they're unofficially not following the written rules and double-reffing the games, that he went off-script on his own and should be in violation of the position and never do it again, or that the VAR as we use it is not appropriate for the task and it either needs serious investment/training to work or a review of whether we should have it at all.

Clarity is what we need, not just for this one incident and game, but for how we use it in all games past, present and future. Even just relaying more info - the video and audio between refs - internally to the chosen figures in the clubs would do. We don't need witch-hunts, which is what the current setup encourages!

 

This should be the end for Alan Muir .

 

I think hes just not a very good VAR. Hes had a number of blunders - this latest one maybe the most bizzare of all. Im not really a believer in conspiracy theories that officiating is rigged in favour of teams - although theres paranoia on both sides of the OF about that. My guess is he reviewed the goal and giving him the benefit of the doubt, he thought the ball was genuinely out. But VAR should know in that situation that without the requisite touchline technology he simply cant overturn an on field call there.

 

Like I say we need a better version of VAR even if the clubs need to subsidise it..

The offside lines are dodgy as * too, just draw them wherever they like.