Champions League Dortmund V Celtic Tuesday October 1st kick off 8PM TNT Sports

Sometimes teams are just that much better than you. Set up like Jose morinho would and we can keep the score down, but I'd rather have a go and lose personally.

 

Rodgers recognised that the team needs more pace and power and we did add Engels and Idah but still a long way to go. LB and CDM should be top priorities if we want to see any progression on Europe.

 

I can appreciate teams being better than us and I’m sure everyone can.

I can also appreciate we are not good enough to have a go need to give yourself a chance to be competitive by acknowledging the difference. We haven’t worked this out for years.

Your point to Jose Mourinho, correct me if I’m wrong but he’s done ok in European competitions playing that way with 5 or so European trophies…

 

I mean my definition of not being interested in something must be different as I wouldn't be commenting anything about them but nevermind

 

Most concerning thing for me is the usual 'we will learn from our mistakes' but continue to play our game from Rodgers. After the first couple of minutes when they broke our press and got in behind with a couple of passes I knew it would be a long night but to get demolished 7 going on double figures is hard to forgive. Rodgers needs to adapt fast as every single one of the teams we play including Young Boys and Brugge will identify this and punish us.

 

I still have full confidence in our system and way to play. It has all to do with quality of players in the backline. If we had CCV, and another CB as good as him, and a quality LB, we would instantly skyrocket in quality from the back. We are just to weak there and don't have the quality to play our way out.

 

Oh well it's a new day good morning all. A bad night by all accounts but we move on and better learn from it . Still 6 games to go and let's get behind the team.

 

Suppose I worded that badly, because aye they can. But I don’t think they will.

 

Surely this is this last straw and the reality has finally hit the management that we HAVE to go into these games set up extremely defensively, we cannot go toe to toe with teams like this away from home. Everyone gets excited about splashing £10 million on a striker or attacking midfielder but I’d like to see us spend big on the defence and that includes a CDM of the likes of Wanyama.

We need to go into these games very defensively set up with a strong defence. We had neither of them last night and got embarrassed again. It might not be the ‘Celtic Way’ but neither is getting our pants pulled down and having our arses spanked in front of the whole of Europe for everyone to see.

 

You can have a go without being cannon fodder though. Setting up to be hard to play through doesn't mean your parking the bus.

 

I'd add to that another CCV level CB. It won't happen given what we spend on Trusty (not to mention what we wasted on CBs last season) but we need a really solid 2 CBs for Europe, especially considering how Rodgers wants to play.

Still very early days, but any evidence supporting Trusty being that guy is... lacking.

 

See the squad Dortmund have got there.

I'm not saying they are the best in all of Europe but we are the St Johnstone to their Celtic in terms of finances.

Their weekly payroll for the host of talent they have is €2mill a week!

Domestically we are completely incapable of ever achieving that, even with regular season on season CL participation, we are never going to have the finances available to amass a squad that allows us to relatively compete at the CL level.

Guirassy is supposedly one in excess of £100k a week just for starters.

I know I know people will say but we shouldn't lose regardless to any team 7-1. And your right.

The common theme here is Rodgers and he needs to understand he can not compete at this level using a squad built in Scotland and his ideals

 

I understand what you’re saying but it is kinda difficult to say we can’t compete against CL teams due to not having as much cash when we will have over 100m sat in the bank come the end of the season. All more money would do for us is boost our bank balance tbh.

We have also been beaten many times in Europe by teams with allot less resources aswell.

 

As others have said, they done to us what we would to a Ross county or a St Johnston.

Even a Falkirk.

In that sort of analogy, we are the Falkirk and Dortmund was the Celtic.

We tried to play our game, but when it really came down to it, they blew us away.

Now if Falkirk want to keep playing their game (which we would all have said then should and because of how they play they deserve to come up again), then Falkirk aren't gonna go out and buy a whole new squad, but they will need to buy better defenders to allow them to soak up more pressure and be smarter to the bigger teams (us).

We need to do the same.

2 of our 9 defenders would be deemed acceptable for UCL level (for us). That's just not good enough.

Need a true equal for CCV and then a third option, then Scales to be the 4th choice.
That was the case last season and with a switch of names has been the case for years.


Til we actually address the blatant short comings of our defence, we will continue to get hammered by the bigger clubs, while being absolutely fine against the lesser sides in the tournament.
I believe we've stepped up enough to get through this league phase, but not enough to make a mark on the tournament.

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Dortmund have more to spend than Stuttgart too but Stuttgart still managed to batter them 5-1 a few weeks ago. We may well still end up losing should we ever finally implement a sensible and solid defensive gameplan but at least we could avoid being shown-up.

 

We managed two shots on target, our goal wasn't even a shot, could have conceded double figures if it wasn't for Schmeichel. I wouldn't exactly call that having a go.

 

Yeah and Hearts cleaned us out 4-0 to end our unbeaten streak under Rodgers, Real Madrid have probably had some shocking losses but in the same season win the CL.

PSG ran all over Barca only for Barca to turn it around in the next and knock them in that historic game. Mental results happen.

 

Then for me more needs to be pointed towards Rodgers for constantly trying to go toe to toe.

He is the common theme between skuddings because he refuses to change his ideal of how his team should play despite the quality in front of them.

For all intents and purposes, he instructs, players follow. He needs to try something different because whatever he thinks on how we should play he is literally the definition of madness when it comes to CL

 

If we dont have the quality then we shouldnt play the system we do.Its simple really but rdgers insists on playing this system while we dont have the quality players,so whats the answer?....dont play the * system.