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THIS IS WHY WE ARE 'PARANOID'!

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  1. jamiebhoy67

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    Decisions that have went against Celtic have cost Celtic 9 points this season. Rangers have gained 6 points from dodgy decisions and have stayed in the Scottish Cup due to a dodgy decision. A potential 15 point swing based on poor refereeing decisions.

    3 opposing SPL managers make admission to the poor decisions against Celtic and a ref admits to error.

    8 stonewall penalties denied for Celtic and 4 valid goals chopped off.

    Here are just some examples and quotes from media.

    10 February 2010 - Motherwell 1 Rangers 1

    Motherwell denied a goal which was 2 yards onside that would have put them 2-0 up. Linesman flagged incorrectly for offside.

    Craig Brown was livid after seeing TV evidence showing goal was well onside, TV pundits Hendry and Butcher both agree goal should have stood. Ray Stubbs on ESPN said that point could make all the difference at end of season.

    ONE point gained for Rangers

    16 January 2010 - Celtic v Falkirk 3 major decisions go against Celtic

    1. Hand ball by Falkirk defender - no penalty
    2. Fortune pulled down in box - no penalty
    3. Arthur handles ball 17 yards from goal 1 yard inside his box and a free kick is given to Falkirk 20 yards from goal. This could have given Falkirk the winning goal

    Referee - Alan Muir

    Mail on Sunday - 'Falkirk manager Eddie May said: "Overall, I thought it was a fair result. But I think they should have had a penalty."

    Daily Mail - 'Alan Muir denied the Parkhead club a late penalty claim - when Brian McLean tangled with Fortune - in the 1-1 draw with Falkirk on Saturday. Hinkel was also unhappy about Celtic keeper Artur Boruc being penalised for apparently stepping out of his area late on. "It's not really my thing to say something about referees but, once again, we had some very strange decisions," said Hinkel. Not even just the penalty - look at the situation when Artur had a free-kick given against him.

    TWO points dropped. Opposing manager admits Celtic should have had penalty.

    10 January 2010 - Hamilton v Rangers

    3-2 down and a very very doubtful penalty given to Rangers, Hamilton player lying on ground while trying to move his hand away hand ball penalty given.

    Referee ? Charlie Richmond

    Scotsman - "They needed a touch of good fortune to equalise when referee Charlie Richmond rather harshly penalised Hamilton debutant Stuart Elliott for handball, awarding the spot-kick from which Kenny Miller converted."

    A gift given to Rangers by ref to keep them in the Cup. It?s okay saying Richmond denied Miller a penalty in the replay but if it was not for the ludicrous decision in first game there would have been no replay.

    3 January 2010 - Celtic v Rangers

    2 shocking decisions cost Celtic the 3 points (regardless of the poor finishing) Fortune scores a goal - chopped off incorrectly.

    Lafferty assaults Hinkel - a red card offence but only yellow given.

    Referee - Steve Conroy

    Scotsman - "Following the controversial decision by Conroy to disallow what looked like a perfectly good Fortune goal after 19 minutes. Moments later, Rangers striker Kyle Lafferty was perhaps fortunate only to be booked for a late challenge on Celtic right-back Andreas Hinkel."

    TWO points dropped. ONE point gained for Rangers. 2 derbies in a row that multiple decisions go against Celtic.

    12 December 2009 - Motherwell v Celtic

    Celtic denied TWO stonewall penalties.

    Samaras chopped in box in 1st half - No penalty.

    Hand ball by Motherwell defender - No penalty.

    Referee - Charlie Richmond

    Celtic do get penalty but only after having 3 claims for a penalty, two of which were stonewallers.

    Guardian - "Even if Celtic did have a legitimate claim for a penalty when Samaras was tripped by Reynolds. Another two poor decisions from referee Charlie Richmond denied them penalties after McGeady had equalised. When Celtic were finally awarded a penalty for Saunders's foul on Samaras, Robson gave the goalkeeper an easy save with a weak shot close to his left side."

    8 November 2009 - Falkirk v Celtic

    At 3-3 in last minute Celtic had a goal disallowed when TV showed it was ONSIDE.

    Flag goes up for offside when Samaras clearly onside right through on goal.

    Referee - Brian Winter

    Daily Record - "Celtic fans yelped in frustration - and their mood would not have improved when television replays showed assistant Lawrence Kerrigan was wrong to flag for offside when Samaras was played in behind the Bairns defence in injury time."

    His shot may have been blocked by Olejnik but it dropped to McDonald who poked the ball into the net only to see the flag fluttering along his line of vision. To be fair, Celtic players kept their protests to a minimum.

    TWO points dropped

    4 October 2009 - Rangers v Celtic

    Celtic denied TWO stonewall penalties. Maloney booked for diving. Referee later apologises for getting one penalty decision rong.

    Lafferty assaults Zhing Zhi and Weir recklessly follows through on McDonald. Neither booked.

    Referee - Craig Thomson

    STV website and various media - "Old Firm referee Craig Thomson has admitted he?s 'disappointed' at getting his decision wrong when he decided not to award Celtic a penalty in the 12th minute. Hugh Dallas said: 'Craig and I have had our post match de-brief. Whilst I would compliment Craig for his overall handling of yesterday's encounter, he is disappointed at his error of judgement when he decided against awarding a penalty to the visiting team in the 12th minute.'"

    Motherwell manager Jim Gannon later said: "Right now there is a question mark over the standard of our refereeing, and it affects the SPL table. After the last Old Firm game Hugh Dallas had to defend the referee [Craig Thomson]. But the result of that match might have been different had the ref got the big decisions correct.

    ?At the end of the season Celtic could look back and say, ?That result cost us the title.? The fact is, if no one speaks up, then nothing will change.?

    Assuming the worst Celtic would have gained a draw with 2 or 3 penalties being awarded.

    ONE point dropped. TWO gained by Rangers.

    26 September 2009 - Rangers v Aberdeen

    McCulloch elbows Aberdeen player deliberately. No card and No TV evidence case by SPL.

    Referee - Iain Brines

    Daily Record - "Rangers midfielder Lee McCulloch, however, was fortunate not to pick up a red card from Brines for an elbow on McGuire."

    Rangers would have been playing 45 mins with 10 men if Brines had done his job. Next match for Rangers was Old Firm game. McCulloch escapes ban which could have been a 3 match ban for violent conduct.

    21 September 2009 - Celtic v Hearts

    McGinn chopped in box. Stonewall penalty denied with 5 mins to go.

    Referee - Dougie McDonald

    Daily Record - "The Northern Irish international was brought down inside the box by Lee Wallace with five minutes to go of Sunday's SPL clash at Parkhead, only for referee Dougie McDonald to award a corner to the bemusement of everyone inside the stadium."

    Belfast Telegraph - "Five minutes from the end of normal time, the Irishman was denied what looked a clear-cut penalty by referee Dougie McDonald when he appeared to be chopped down by Jambos' left-back Lee Wallace as he burst into the Hearts penalty area. "

    Celtic scored in 93rd minute and got the 3 points.

    13 September - 2009 - Celtic v Dundee Utd

    Celtic had a Samaras goal incorrectly chopped off for offside. Also denied stonewall penalty when Dodds handled ball in last minute. Dodds admitted to hand ball. Levein said he was surprised he never caught it.

    Referee - Steve Conroy.

    Scotland on Sunday - "Levein left the field quietly at the end and there was probably a reason for that. His side appeared to come out the right side of two highly contentious calls in the second half; a Georgios Samaras "goal" chalked off and a Celtic penalty claim waved away by referee Steve Conroy. The "goal" was put away by Samaras just before the hour mark and only a couple of minutes after he came on for Landry N'Guemo."

    Tony Mowbray, in his understated way, challenged us to look at the incident on video, the comment of a man who is convinced that Samaras' effort should have stood. Much later, a couple of minutes into injury time in fact, an Andreas Hinkel cross hit Darren Dodds on the arm and many a spot-kick has been given in such circumstances. Asked about it later, Levein offered a cheeky response: "I've spoken to Darren about it and he said he was really disappointed he never held it. Dodds said: "The ball hit my head and then hit my thumb." That's that, then. It should have been a penalty."

    TWO points dropped.

    30 August 2009 - Hibs v Celtic

    McGeady sent off for diving 45 yards from goal after riding a few tackles after going on a run.

    Referee - Dougie McDonald

    24 August 2009 - Hearts v Rangers

    Rangers heading for a draw, awarded penalty in last minute for tackle which looked soft and looked outside box.

    Referee - Craig Thomson

    Daily Mail - "The Tynecastle side thought the penalty was harsh, arguing that the foul by Ismael Bouzid on Steven Naismith was committed outside the penalty box, while Rangers considered Thomson unlucky to be red-carded."

    TWO points gained for Rangers.

    I AM NOT BLAMING THESE LISTED AS OUR REASONS FOR BEING IN THIS POSITION BUT ITS CERTAINLY HELPED THEM MORE THAN IT HAS US ?:97::38::47:
     
  2. GazF1888

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    We certainly wouldn't be anywhere near 10 behind if those decisions were called correctly, we could actually be top.


    I swear yesterday's penalty appeal for Aberdeen (The Boruc one) is the first dodgy major decision to go our way all season, even then the ref was shocking for us aswell, especially when Keane got chopped down just outside the box and a free-kick was given against him, absurd.
     
  3. Brendan Hughes

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    Fair post to be honest
     
  4. bigsteve1967

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    I dont buy all this rubbish, really dont. Rangers have had a fair share of decisions go against them too, but they dont complain like we do. They had a blatant penalty turned down at 0-0, and with fatboy Boyd being booked he is prob gonna miss game against us. If McGeady had been booked for a soft tackle and ended up missing game against us we would be up in arms and claim conspiracy. When the league was closer earlier on in season, rangers had a game abandoned that they were winning (Dundee Utd i think), again if that happened to us we would have been claiming conspiracy. Even yesterday, Aberdeen should have had a penalty thanks to Boruc but thankfully the referee was a pudding and never gave it. Our fans generally complain way too much about referees having it in for us, i used to believe it too but my brother in law (a Hun) started to point out decisions against them that fell in our favour, or against them and it really does even out over a season, hard as it may seem to believe. The referees havent lost us the league this year, or got us battered in Europe, its down to the players and TM, nobody else is to blame and to blame anyone else is just trying to hide from fact.
     
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    im * sick of this *.
     
  6. buchanbhoy

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    Stop blaming everything else we are just not good enough pure and simple
     
  7. MarcoVanBeasten

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    There's nothing to buy, mate, facts are facts.

    This is a fantastic post btw! Everything said is spot on and this is one of the reason I back Tony Mowbray to the hilt. There's still problems that must be addressed within the team, but when you consider the sheer amount of decisions which have outright affected games, it's no wonder we're 11 points behind THEM.
     
  8. BrianQuinn

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    lol the amount of MAJOR decisions gone Rangers' way this season is absolutely hunbleievable. Blatant cheating by some referee's/linesman at times. Ross Forbes chopped off goal a prime example. Cheating !!

    As bad as Celtic have been this season the referee's have screwed us over and whoever Rangers have been playing all season long. Rangers are not aloud to finish 2nd this season.
     
  9. jamiebhoy67

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    sorry mate did u not read the last 2 lines of my post? pay attention before u start having a go eh ?
     
  10. crackerman81

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    He does make a fair point, I mean there was the game today, Boyd was booked for elbowing a hibs player (According to Radio and Sky), being booked for elbowing would have given him 3 points and unable to play against celtic, it gets changed to obstruction which is 2 points meaning he can play against us. I do agree we are also keech and have a clueless manager but there is never easy answers, we simply cant blame mowbray for everything. Sometimes decisions have went against us and they always seem to go for rangers, how many more of these "honest mistakes" are going to help rangers? Bottom line is this, we have a crap manager with lots of talent at his disposal and we still cant string results together, we have had many bad decisions against us, bad injuries, unlucky clearances and we always seem to come up against Edwin Van der saar every week. Season 2009/10 simply isnt our season, blame whoever you like. Lets hope things improve and move on.
     
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    Such as? You have to very naive or a Hun to think that they have not been vastly favoured this season.


    The SFA know it is paramount for them to win the league with the state they're in financially, it is no coincidence.


    Just look at both the Old Firm games this season fs.
     
  12. bigsteve1967

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    Open your eyes Marco, i dont deny there have been decisions given against us, or that affect us, but if you take an unbiased view and look at decisions against them as well you would be surprised. Ok, they dont make as much noise as us about them but they wouldnt seeing as their so far on front of us just now. Rangers are * this year, but we are even shiter, this must be the worst celtic team i have ever seen, especially as those * are bankrupt and not signed anyone in * knows how long, yet we still cant force an advantage over them. Sitting at home and compiling lists of what we see as decisions against us and getter bitter and angry about them doesnt help or make any difference. What we need is for our players and mgmt team to earn their money that we pay with buying season tickets year in, year out. Its down to them this current form, nobody else, not referees. not the establishment, not a great big conspiracy. What happened in Europe this year, are all referees throughout Europe out to get us now too ??
     
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  14. bigsteve1967

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    Gaz - im not naive, and im certainly no hun
     
  15. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    To the original poster, are you the guy who sent this in to Real Radio? because it's the email they displayed on their website.
     
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    Actually i recall an unbiased view from an English pundit. I can't remember who it was but he made the point that Tony Mowbray has been unfairly punished by referee's this season more than any other manager he could ever recall. Everyone can see it , not just Celtic fans.
     
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    Bottom line is we should be playing well enough win games regardless of a few bad decisions, they have cost us points on some occasions but there was no need for these decisions to have cost us points.
     
  18. jamiebhoy67

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    nah mate it was my mate he sent me the email and i thought it was a fair post and a good talking point so here it is :bbpd: and i simply cannot believe how people can defend them decisions their all there in black and white facts ! the key turning points this have been surprise surprise all botched refreeing decisions although i,m not goin to lie we have been shambolic
     
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    It's true that we've been on the wrong side of many decisions this season, we need to look no further than the games against the Huns at Ibrox and CP, we got one point when it really should have been six.

    However our recent performances against the likes of Falkirk, Hamilton, Aberdeen and Hibs have not been acceptable, yes we can blame Brines for giving Hibs a last minute victory when it clearly offside, but the truth is we squander several very good chances again.

    Our manager doesn't seem to inspire our players at all, I now have to question if Mowbray actually wanted Keane or Rasmussen, he seems to like Fortune and Camera and obviously favours both of them over Rasmussen for a starting slot.

    It time for Tony to show some emotion, some fight, some *-kicking in the dressing room, if he doesn't he's a dead man walking until the end of the season.
     
  20. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Fair play to your mate, it's a great email and it's all there in black and white. There's much more could be added to it.

    We hear the huns barking on about decisions going against them too, but they are, at best, baw hair decisions. Decisions going in their favour are absolutely blatant. There lies the difference.

    They have not won their record league titles by being that good.