Mowbray Confuses me.

Mowbray insists that lack of immediate success will not force him out of Celtic

Ronnie Cully
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Published on 5 Mar 2010
TONY MOWBRAY has no intention of walking away from Celtic, even if his first season in charge ends without a single trophy.
Under increasing pressure to deliver the Active Nation Scottish Cup as his rebuilt side prepare to fall 13 points behind Rangers later today in a championship race which is all-but run, the man who replaced Gordon Strachan in June insisted he plans to see out his four-year contract.
Mowbray steadfastly claims to be detached from the outside pressure of the job, and to be strong enough to shoulder the responsibility. “A job without expectation isn’t a job worth having,” is the mantra by which he lives.
He is aware, though, that back-to-back titles wins for financially-stricken Rangers is guaranteed to turn the spotlight on his suitability to deliver the big prizes the Celtic fans and board demand. However, the game plan and cv which he presented when interviewed for the manager’s job is what Mowbray still stands behind. He warned from the outset that his style of management would ensure a roller-coaster ride. That is precisely how it is turning out to be, though the troughs have so far outnumbered the peaks.
Mowbray has not lost his appetite for the challenge nor his belief that the foundations he has put in place will allow them to build a successful future, and said: “This club has got to win something every year. And, if you don’t, do you throw everything out and start again? If you are logical about it, no you don’t. You buy into what you believe is going to take the club in the right direction and you keep going and support it.”
Asked directly if he views himself as being in situ to oversee this for the long term, he answered without changing tone: “I do. I signed a four-year deal. I’m here to build a team and a club that can be successful for long, long periods. How do you do that? You bring in quality because quality is consistent, and, ultimately, what you need is consistency.
“People totally understand what I do and how I build teams. There are no grey areas. If you want a team that plays expansive football . . . it can be like a roller-coaster at
times and you are going to have days where you are going to lose some goals and you are going to have days where you have some great victories, and, hopefully fantastic football. That’s the journey you go on.”
The next stop is Falkirk to face a side who have already held them to two draws in this campaign. Mowbray dismissed reports that Celtic have got their excuses in early 
by making a complaint about the Falkirk Stadium pitch, insisting the club have never taken such desperate action during his time in charge.
Of genuine concern to Mowbray, however, is the condition of his playing staff. “The treatment room is like a war zone,” he revealed.
Diomansy Kamara is the latest to report injured after playing for Senegal in midweek, joining among others Jos Hooiveld, Thomas Rogne and Shaun Maloney and almost certainly Dutch centre-back Glenn Loovens on the list unavailable for the trip to face Steven Pressley’s side.
Mowbray insists that lack of immediate success will not force him out of Celtic - Herald Scotland | Sport | SPL | Celtic


I’m here to build a team and a club that can be successful for long, long periods.

How do you do that?

You bring in quality because quality is consistent, and, ultimately, what you need is consistency.

I struggle with this, what is consistent in the long term development of the club - in playing 4 Loan players in your 1st team?

N'Guemo plays consistently over & above Crosas/Ki
Kamara plays consistently over & above Samaras/McCourt/McGinn/Zheng/Maloney (injured?)
Braafheid plays consistently over Naylor/O'Dea & he sold Fox
Keane plays consistently over Rasmussen/Samaras & he sold McDonald

Is the quality of these loan players REALLY better than what we have, or what we had in players with long term contracts & therefore CONSISTENCY in them being elegible for selection in this long term plan he has?
Does playing them, help with what Mowbray is trying to sell us in these quotes?

I'd have to say no, I like N'Guemo the best - but he said publicly he wanted to sign & has not done so so far. If he wont sign, or even be offered a long contract - then where is the point in playing him, if the manager speaks of consistency & builing for the future.

Don't even get me started on the others, they are either clearly not as good as we have, or will in no way imaginable be here in the long term.

I hated it when WGS came out with random *, which had no relation to reality - at the end of his tenure.

Looks like Mowbray is doing the same, speaking pure * - in the hope people will believe what he says. It really does not add up.

Any thoughts, it's not intended to be another direct attack on Mowbray. I supported him as much as I could...but he's really struggling to come up with any sense in this interview & that seriously worries me.

 

What did Lawell/Mowbray do with the money we got for McDonald (£3.5 mill), Robson (£500k), Caldwell (£1mill), Fox (2.5millions), Killen + Flood, McManus (£250k loan fee)...?

That's about £7.75 millions & a huge saving in wages.

We brought in Hooivelt (£1.5mill), Rogne (£250k) & Rasmussen (£1.5mill) - that's £4.5millions less than we got in from sales - if general media snippets are to be believed, argue it down to a £2.5million profit at least.

We brought in Braafheid on a loan, he's not got a buy clause & Keane has not got a buy clause either. Both look to be a luxury & not much improvement for the Mowbray long term plan.

Kamara & N'Guemo were brought in on loans, but with buy clauses at £2millions each on top of their initial loan fee & wages. This offers at least a bit of consistency in Mowbray's long term plan, but requires the players to be better than what was here originally & that they will be offered & sign a long term contract.

Lawell/Mowbray spunked a lot of profit on loanees & got no further forward, they also can't make any of that money back - this is what Walter Smith calls "Dead Money".

I'm really, really wondering what the * Lawell/Mowbray's strategy was for this season & if they should be trusted to take it any further forward.

 

I got the feeling from listening to Mowbray last night talking about his future and quoting his four year contract, he was reminding certain people that if you terminate my contract now, I will require ample compensation at your hand.

How did he manage to wangle a four year contract anyway from the SSM, when WGS was on a Rolling Contract ?

It does not compute

 

its not the lack of immediate success tha will drive tony mowray out of celtic park it might well be the lack of trophies as it stand we only have the scottish cup left barring a monumental collapse by rangers which the way we are playing probaly still wouldn't give us the league title. Who forgot to tell the manager that we needed to get a defence in place for the start of the season as that has cost us dearly sure refs have given a lot of ropey decisions against us, we should be used to that by now the injuries dont help but in truth we just have not been good enough this season.

 

hes playing loan players because we have not got the cash to buy everyone kamara keane nguemo etc, kamaras playing because hes better than 15 min samaras,some loan players have a habit of suddenly not trying as hard when they get a contract better to have a long look first a would sign nguemo as soon as he done enough to merit a long contract

 

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<P><STRONG>this attitude will never win titles you need a level off consistency to do this he is basically saying he doesnt care if we dont win anything as long as we see the odd game where it all clicks and we put on a right entertaining show,which we have yet to see incidently.</STRONG></P>
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<P><STRONG>this will not do</STRONG></P>

 

clueless board

Frightning????? did'nt know he was on a 4 year contract,just thought it was the same as MON WGS rolling on???? what in thier senses made them give him that status??? this board has not a * clue,it is them that are to blame for the position we are in now,as I have said all along

 

I was angry when we sold four of our better 1st team players and brought in loans. I was angry because it smacked of papering over the cracks and it was a * of a gamble in terms of throwing away money and within a game or too it had clearly backfired. Keane is not staying and Kamara is not even as good as what we have. Braafhied is total mince as a defender. I do not want to see any of them in any of our remaining SPL games except maybe Keane in the OF game. I also think Mogga has to make his mind up and ask NGuemo to publically commit to staying. If he wont then drop him too.

We look like an unsettled team of mercenaries getting pumped by a settled team full of guys playing for the shirt. Rangers deserve the title this year. They didnt last year but they are just miles more of a team than us this year because this is the worst Celtic side since the 1990s. You need no more proof of that than a prob 13 point defecit by the end of February against a Rangers side against whom in the prevous two seasons the title had gone to the last day (one won and one lost). That is a * of a collapse. We are just a collection of transient individuals and mercenaries. Rangers actually are playing more like us in our more successful times of the last 10 years. Mogga has torn up a pretty successful blueprint and again is drooling on about style and expansive football. What a fcking *.

 

clueless

This board are * clueless

 

nguemo has done nothing in the games that matter and doesnt deserve a contract,just another sub standard mowbray signing much like ALL the others

 

Ok, I admit it - I'm Scared.

In fact I'm * * myself, if this is a 4 year plan that Mowbray/Lawell are trying to sell/justify to us - then Hibs/DUFC will certainly split the OF & we will be 3rd/4th.

The massive gamble clearly didn't pay off, ok I can live with that - at least they tried to change things that weren't working.
But to continue selling the same * that has failed completely, smacks of King Canute.

I had hopes - I'm not getting the fear....big time!

 

Mowbray is a dreamer, a fucken DREAMER with no SUBSTANCE to his DREAMS

 

Yep I agree. This is like the Barnes era. Heads should roll above manager level too. Lawell has done a lot of good but more and more looks to be callng it wrong these days. There is no question that Mogga will turn us into his old Hibs team with an atacking style and very little success. Wattie must be delighted that he has such a clown as an opposite number. If out of pride or financial considerations we stick with Mogga I think we will enter the dark ages of handing Rangers 4 or more in a row. What worries me is he has already losy last summer or shipped out since the sort of driving force players we had and doesnt seem to have brought any in long term. We have no chararchter. Look at Rangers. They are limited technically but are bursting with people who are desperate to win.

 

we are stuck with him for at least the next 2 seasons for 2 reasons

1.the board paid money for him

2.it would cost more money to get rid of him

with the huns now looking to have a buyer and fresh investment we are now looking at a possible 5 years to recover from this disaster unless mugga does the honourable thing.

 

Boruc

Hinkel Loovens Hooivelt Braafheid

McGeady N'Guemo Brown Kamara

Fortune Keane


Boruc

Hinkel Loovens Hooivelt O'Dea/Naylor

McGeady Brown Ki Sung Maloney

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Fortune Rasmussen

Is the 1st team really so much better than the 2nd one?

Swap Maloney with McGinn/McCourt/Samaras if he's still injured, or move Ki to the left & bring in Crosas.

At least he'd be building sometihng tangible & not imaginary - also we wouldn't have lost all that "dead money".
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I think the idea that the team needed huge changes was a myth anyway. We lost on the last day but the title had gone to the last day on 4 out of the last 7 years. So last season was just normal service not some kind of disaster. It has on average been tighter between the OF over the last while than Celtic fans generally admit. I think what we had was a bad stutter down to strikers and that cost us but there was absolutely no need to plan a revolution. A CB, LB and proper CF (and hanging onto the other WGS first picks like Caldwell, Robson, Skippy) would have sufficed. I giarantee if we had just added those three players any time over the last 3 years and sold noone important then we would be loking forward to 5 in a row with Rangers in very deep trouble. There was no need to do the wholesale changes. The players we needed should have come in during the 3 in a row season. For all the revolution we still have no LB, we now do not even have a single perm poacher with SKippy sold and we are no better off (temporarily worse of) at CB. Mogga has been a total disaster.

 

feeding * to us,thats means another 3 years with this idiot at the helm

 

The problem with Mowbray, and you can't excuse Lawwell and Reid in that they have been complicit with Mowbray's madcap ideas of building a team, is that he has no clue how to build a spine of a team that can compete with Rangers at SPL level, and also be skilful enough to get to the CL and into the Group Stages and then beyond into the Last CL 16 like WGS did twice during his 3IAR reign.

We are a team of misfits with a soft underbelly of a midfield that collapses like a merangue cake when any pressure is exerted on it, a defence that has a leaky hull, and a forward line that is firing blanks, and a goalkeeper who can be suspect at the best of times.

That is a recipe for disaster and we have made it too easy for the Waistcoat to collect his spoils of war this year.

Solution : Tear it all down and start all over again and get intelligent and forward thinking people in at the top and at management level who know how to rectify the problems, and who are in tune with the heartbeat of the Club.

 

The money Rangers have clawed back in the last few years and next year with the CL money is far far more than they could have hoped for. I heard that the last 3 years has been their best ever in terms of profits. They have probably just about saved their * now. They are nowhere near as bad as they were and if they get a big buyer in (which I think the title and more CL money will do) then we could be on the backfoot for some time.