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Celtic FC turning Japanese?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by xxSoccerxx, Jan 9, 2008.

Discuss Celtic FC turning Japanese? in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. xxSoccerxx

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    I saw we signed another Japanese internationalist on the BBC. I watched his videos last night and he looks promising. He should be as good as Nakamura for us. I hope. Anyone know if he will start right away?
    [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpCcelpvkps[/youtube]
     
  2. squire_2

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    * me does he play the guitar aswel??? haha :icon_mrgreen:

    He's not signed for us just yet but it's looking very likely he will sign, prob today. And yes, i don't see why he shouldn't be given a chance early on, that's when he comes back from the African Nations :56:
     
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    I think this song by the japanese girls in Kill Bill fits too.

    Wheres Charlie Brown?

    Who-oo-ooo-oo got another great young player on the cheap.

    [YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=ke6KUtcG9jY[/YOUTUBE]
     
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    Well scouting Japanese talent is a creative alternative to competing with the EPL for home-growns. Not everyone is like McGeady and will turn away the big EPL clubs to play at a lower wage here. Good on the administrators at Celtic for doing it.
     
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    i've watched this mizuno and he is in my opinion already better than naka !!! he has pace, skill, strength and his crosses and dead ball accuracy is unbelievable Cmon E Hoops !!!!
     
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    Keep it in perspective.

    Oh dear! Sign this guy up as a writer for the Herald. He seems to have their talent for overstatement.

    Hail Hail Hoopsters!
    I didnt want to start gabbing until Mizuno's work permit had been approved because I do want to see him go to Scotland, even though the truth be told, he doesnt pass the requirements that are required for a work permit.

    Mizuno has been described (in typically over-the-to- fashion) by the UK papers as "Japan's brightest talent". Well . . . dont get me wrong, he does have quite a bit of raw talent, and he may eventually make a mark in Scotland. However, the truth of the matter is, Mizuno isnt even "Japan's brightest 22-year-old right wing". For some time now, he has been playing behind two other youngsters on the Olympic squad, and as for the full NT, most people will agree that the only reason he ever got called at all, was that he hails from the club team where coach Osim used to coach. He may one day be a leading NT prospect, but he definitely is NOT at that level right at this moment.

    Again, dont get me wrong. The kid does have some raw talent, and his speed and size might be a better match for Scotland than some of the other players who are ahead of him in line for playing time at the full NT and Olympic team levels. That said, the reason why Celtic got him was not due to his ability, but rather, that he is annoyed with JEF United (his former club) and wanted to get out. JEF realises that they are going to lose him one way or the other, so they gave Celtic a much better deal than what you could get for a player like Yuichi Komano or Atsuto Uchida, who are the starting right wing backs at the NT and U-23 NT, respectively.

    All of the hoops fans in Japan will be hoping that Koki can make a contribution to Celtic in the coming years. However, please give the kid some time. As noted above, he is NOT the "star player" that the papers in Europe are making him out to be, and he is going to need some time to develop before he really reaches his peak. Despite his age (22) hes still a very raw talent, and wont be as experienced and mentally sharp as you might expect from a Scottish player of the same age. The last thing he needs is for people to expect him to live up to the hype that the Scotsman, Herald and so on are whipping up, at the moment.

    Cheers
     
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    tnx m8 very well written and info great too
     
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    there is some good talent out there glad we are getting ahead of most clubs by giving the far east a look
     
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    Matsu2, thanks for the input mate. Hopefully your post will make people think a bit before they jump in with both feet, like a lot of people on here have a habit of doing. Your post gives us a bit of a reality check so thanks for that.

    I'm still quite confident he will do well for us tho, so prepare to eat your words :50:
     
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    Still looks a player imo the little i have seen of him i know but all the attributes seem to be there, so not only are you criticizing all Europe's papers which is fair enough cause the majority publish * but i doubt Scouts for top class clubs are this deluded especially the Celtic scouts along with the other teams interested in him scouts. I think i will take there word for it but presuming you have told some fact about him being down in the pecking order although seemed a bit bias with the he only gets a game cause the coach used to manage his team gives a impression that you dont like him or something, although i agree with squire, atleast you have given us a reality check thanks for the info
     
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    Very well written post Matsu2 and you seem very aware of the current situation in Japan, can i ask how you are so well informed? Not that i am doubting your thoughts on the player, but i would like to where your information comes from.
     
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    do you get the bbc in boston
     
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    Work permit granted
     
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    BBC america we get here in the states. Its * though just tv shows. and bbc news. dont bother with it tbh

    I get Sky Sports news on Fox Soccer channel.


    Dont even thing BBC America talks about football tho. Im not sure.
     
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    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpCcelpvkps[/YOUTUBE]
     
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    Mate he has signed but cant actually play unti Feb when his contract is up
     
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    I operate the Rising Sun News -- the most comprehensive website on J.League and Japan national team football.


    ##I would post the URL here, but the * thing says I cant post URLS until I have made 15 posts### (* *!). Just google "football Rising Sun News"


    I used to have an account here and exchanged some comments in the past about Nakamura. However I havent visited in almost a year, and somehow my original username (Matsu) no longer works . . . . or maybe Ive just blundered and used the wrong password. That would be typical . . .

    Anyway I thought Id register again to post some comments about Mizuno. As I said, the hype about "best prospect in Japan" is overdone, but that doesnt mean he cant make an impact. I suspect that there are a lot of other players who could make it in the SPL, as well, but there are a lot of issues involved (one of them being money), which keeps players like that in Japan, rather than moving on to Europe.

    The main reason why Koki is moving to Celtic is that his former team is being run into the ground by baqd management. (Imagine Hibs' problems multiplied by Hearts' problems, and subtract a rich bankroller. . . . and basically, youve got JEF United), and therefore all the good players are trying to find another club. If it werent for that, I doubt Celtic would be able to sign him for such a low price.

    Still, I hope he does perform well, since it could open up the door for more players to follow. That can only benefit football in both countries.
     
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    Well said Jbhoy.
    I agree that Mizuno is a more authentic NT candidate than Maki or the utterly pathetic Hanyu. Nevertheless, I dont see him knocking either Kaji or Komano out of the starting NT spot. I would also have to say that he is a narrow second choice, behind Atsuto Uchida, for the U-23 team. That puts him fourth, at best, among right wing backs ALONE. So calling him the "top star in Japan" is a bit of a laugh.

    Still, as I said before, I do think that he may be able to contribute at some point. Its just best to give him time to develop, and not expect him to be at the same level that Nakamura was at when he joined the team.

    To be honest, the reports indicate that WGS scouted him carefully, and if that is the case, I suspect he is being viewed not as a wing, but rather as a fullback. That is, after all, the position he plays for Japan. The nature of the game is very different compared with Scottish football, and that may be why people are calling him a wing, rather than a wing BACK. Nevertheless, he does have defensive skills and I think his skill set is best suited to play at the right back position, not on the wing. That is, after all, an area where Celtic are thin at the moment.

    In my opinion, Mizuno would need at least six months to toughen up and learn the much greater defensive responsibilities that a fullback has to handle in the Scottish game. But once the learning process is complete, I can see him playing that spot and doing a decent job. The advantages of having two players like that on the wame wing, where their communication would allow them to work the ball forward very effectively, are hard to overlook. As a long-term prospect I think this would be a great strategy, and that is really what I think WGS intended when he made the deal. But as already noted, he is going to need a fairly long "breaking in" period before he can play at right fullback on a regular basis, in the Scottish game.
     
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    Very well written post Matsu2 and you seem very aware of the current situation in Japan, can i ask how you are so well informed? Not that i am doubting your thoughts on the player, but i would like to where your information comes from.

    Thanks for the reply and explanation Matsu2 and for putting us in the picture as regards Koki's true status in Japan. The press here do tend to go overboard regarding incoming foreign players. Building these players up in the minds of the fans usually leads to us expecting a lot more from the player which in turn means if he doesn't hit the ground flying from day one added pressure is on him when the fans get on his back and affects the players game in a negative way. Thanks again for such an informative post.
     
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    Am I famous? * 'ell! You just made me blush :52: