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Can You See A Day When Firearms Are Banned In The US?

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by Dáibhí, Oct 12, 2013.

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Dáibhí

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Something that I've been thinking about since I read today that California vetoed a ban on semi-automatic weapons;

Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed a bill Friday that would have imposed the nation's toughest gun ownership restrictions on Californians, saying it was too far-reaching.

The legislation would have banned future sales of most semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines, part of a firearms package approved by state lawmakers in response to mass shootings in other states.

It was lawmakers' latest attempt to close loopholes that have allowed manufacturers to work around previous assault weapon bans. Gun rights groups had threatened to sue if the semi-automatic weapons ban became law.

"I don't believe that this bill's blanket ban on semi-automatic rifles would reduce criminal activity or enhance public safety enough to warrant this infringement on gun owners' rights," the Democratic governor wrote in his veto message.

He also noted that California already has some of the nation's strictest gun and ammunition laws.

The legislation was among 18 gun bills considered by the governor as he works toward a Sunday deadline to act on bills sent to his desk last month. He signed 11 firearms bills into law and vetoed seven.

Democratic Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, who proposed the rifle restrictions, said in a statement that more than 1,100 Californians have been killed with guns since the mass school shooting in Newtown, Conn., in December.

"I believe aggressive action is precisely what's needed to reduce the carnage in our communities, and to counter the equally aggressive action by the gun industry," Steinberg said.

The bill sought to ban the sale of assault rifles, but Brown objected that it also would have applied to low-capacity weapons commonly used for hunting, firearms training and target shooting, and some historical and collectible firearms. Brown also didn't want thousands of legal gun owners to have to register their existing weapons as assault rifles and be blocked from selling or transferring the weapons.

"That was, without a doubt, the most egregious piece of anti-gun legislation ever brought to a governor for his signature," said Clint Montfort, an attorney with Michel and Associates, West Coast counsel for the National Rifle Association. "We appreciate that the governor has respected the rights of California gun owners."

Montfort said the NRA is examining the bills that Brown did sign to see if any merit legal challenges.

The governor signed a measure from Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, which bans kits that allow people to turn regular ammunition magazines into high-capacity magazines, as well as two other pieces of legislation that restrict the ability of mentally ill people to possess firearms.

Brown approved a measure making California the first state to impose a statewide ban on lead bullets for all types of hunting. Hunting with lead bullets already is prohibited in eight counties with endangered California condors. About two dozen states also have partial bans, mostly in sensitive wildlife refuges.

But Brown rejected a bill that would have required owners whose firearms are lost or stolen to promptly notify law enforcement. The governor noted he vetoed a similar bill last year and still doubts that criminalizing the failure to report missing weapons would help law enforcement track down gun traffickers or those prohibited from owning weapons.

Nick Wilcox, whose daughter was killed by a gunman during a 2001 Nevada County rampage, said he was hopeful Brown would have approved more.
"It's a step forward. It's not as big a step forward as we would have liked," Wilcox said on behalf of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Paul Song, executive chairman of the Courage Campaign, an advocacy organization that supported the gun bills, said in a telephone interview that Brown appeared to be trying to defuse a possible campaign issue as he runs for re-election next year. The organization later released a much stronger statement accusing the governor of "cowardly behavior" and saying he "will have blood on his hands."

Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, said gun owners' rights groups will consider mounting recall campaigns or election-year challenges against Democratic lawmakers who voted for the gun bills. Final votes on the legislation occurred last month, just as two Colorado state lawmakers were recalled for supporting tougher gun laws in that state.

Paredes predicted lawsuits challenging bills that require safe storage of handguns, Skinner's high-capacity magazine bill, and legislation requiring that buyers of rifles and shotguns pass a safety test.

Still, he said, "We were only shot in the heart six times instead of 12 times, and I guess we should be happy with that."
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Personally, I can't see it happening in my lifetime. It would raise far too many issues nationwide

Dáibhí, Oct 12, 2013

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Never,it would be like trying to ban football in this country.It's too popular.

Heb Celt, Oct 12, 2013

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CFC_67_88, Oct 12, 2013

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Not in my lifetime. Don't know what atrocity is going to snap them out of this obsession with firearms.

As long as they associate gun restriction with an infringement of their basic human rights it will always be an impossible goal.

Scullybhoy, Oct 12, 2013

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I doubt it.

Mr. Fawlty, Oct 12, 2013

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Never, it is far too engrained in their culture. I think there will likely be a move towards banning certain types of weapons - you dont need a machine gun to go hunting - but I think too many US states were born on a frontier and it has become too entwined in their lifestyle. Also, guns have been so easily obtained for so long that any gun cull would only take protection away from law abiding people while criminals will keep hold of theirs.

Sween, Oct 12, 2013

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Scullybhoy said: ↑

Not in my lifetime. Don't know what atrocity is going to snap them out of this obsession with firearms.

As long as they associate gun restriction with an infringement of their basic human rights it will always be an impossible goal.
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If the gruesome murder of their children isn't enough to make them rip up that ridiculous * constitution of theirs, then nothing is. They put their constitutional rights above their children's right to life.

Vertie Auld, Oct 12, 2013

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The sheer number of firearms in the US makes it nigh on impossible.

Vertie Auld, Oct 12, 2013

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Never.

They are utterly obsessed about having a gun and take great offence about any suggestion of losing it.
Onefootwonder, Oct 12, 2013

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Not in any of our lifetimes

Gabriel, Oct 12, 2013

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This just in

Naw

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* joke of a law. They hold it too close to their hearts. And such a big shock when some nut job goes on a shooting spree.

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No chance of it. The people are too stuborn and simply can't see the benefits of the removal of guns. I had an argument with an American guy and he spewed some load of crap to do with feeling safe and a rebellion if they removed guns. But just told him that I would prefer my chances of escaping a guy with a knife than some guy with a gun and that in the future he can send his kids to school in a society with shootings and I'll send mine knowing that they won't be gunned down by some Texan with an itchy trigger finger. Never got any more of his pro firearm rubbish again.

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Let's just say after a number of burglaries near my home i'd feel much safer if i had a gun to protect my home. I for one respect their gun laws and the reasons for it.

Hadouken, Oct 12, 2013

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Let's just say after a number of burglaries near my home i'd feel much safer if i had a gun to protect my home. I for one respect their gun laws and the reasons for it.
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This.

Lennon1888, Oct 12, 2013

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Hadouken said: ↑

Let's just say after a number of burglaries near my home i'd feel much safer if i had a gun to protect my home. I for one respect their gun laws and the reasons for it.
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But if we legalise firearms, then that likely means the robber would carry a gun too (they'd be stupid not to), and then it simply becomes a gunfight where one of you dies if you were to meet the robber. Not really much of a protection there is it?

Big Boss, Oct 12, 2013

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Absolutely no way will there ever be a gun ban in the US. There may (and I emphasise the word may) be a time where the gun restrictions become tighter to own a gun, which would be the right thing to do rather than just a complete ban, but there won't be a ban.

I may be wrong but I think Clinton banned guns like the AR15 and semi-automatic rifles like that back in the 90s. Of course, George "Dubbya" Bush reversed the ban though

CelticBhoyDavid, Oct 13, 2013

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