Aleksandar Tonev

If this was any other team's player I'd want evidence. You can't destroy a man's reputation without evidence.

The SFA have set a precedent here that evidence is not required in racism cases. Next time we play Aberdeen, every single player in our team should claim that they've been racially abused by Aberdeen players. Our coaching staff should do the same. If the SFA fail to ban every single Aberdeen player and coach, then they are biased and have failed to follow their own rules.

 

True but can they ever get evidence unless the culprit comes out and admits it?

Was there evidence in the Terry case in England?

 

Ronnie saying he wont be abused by Scottish football fans when he returns fron the ban.

:smiley-laughing002:

 

So guilty until proven innocent.

 

I am not saying that i am asking a genuine question as to how you prove something like this?

 

Sold down the river, * the sfa and that * Logan who has no * morale highground considering he got sent off after a game for foul & abusive language. So this is the route we go down, believe one persons word over anothers to prosecute them. * outrageous!

 

You cant so I go with the presumption of innocence.

 

Fair enough each to their own, 9/10 times I would be the opposite.

In this case I actually think Tonev is innocent also, I am basing that on the fact that I dont think someone would falsely claim to be racially abused, as its pretty low, unless your a scumbag. Logan to me seems a bit of a scumbag.

 

Got found guilty purely by word of mouth there was no video evidence or team mate evidence against Tonev, feel really bad for him tbh this ban has set the bar every other racism case needs the same punishment

 

I don't really remember much from the Terry case, so I couldn't comment.

Personally, I'd want multiple players or officials having heard it. One man's word just isn't enough for me. At least some video evidence where it looks like that's what he's saying :smiley-laughing002: .

 

The John Terry game was live on SKY every man and his dog saw what he said that day and he only got a 3 game ban if I remember correctly where as Suarez got hit the lengthy one

 

This is the important part, but we don't know because there is no evidence of it and Tonev shouldn't have been punished on mere here-say.

The only real evidence would be if other people had heard it - players or officials - or if it was captured on a match microphone or something. If there's none of this, though, and it's one man's word against the other the SFA shouldn't just immediately believe the accuser, but they have done exactly that here. It shouldn't have gone any further.

Hypothetical situation: you and a black dude at work are talking with no one else around. Later, he goes to your boss saying you called him a black * when you didn't but you get reprimanded for it....would that be fair?

 

Just to say I have not once said he was guilty, just that a lot of us wouldn't care about evidence/lack of if it was another teams player. Particularly a team we don't care for, not a Huns player as they would be guilty 100% :icon_mrgreen:

Of course thats not fair but equally would it be fair if I had called him that and denied it to my boss, then getting away with.

Theres no simple answer here and its a subject that is rightfully taken very seriously. Some have said there needs to be video evidence but thats not good enough as it wont always happen on the pitch and at lower levels how many games are televised to such an extent.

 

Kevin harper

* been dead for 15 year, glad to see he's back for 5 minutes..

Wee ham..

 

your childish sarcasm is brilliant man. Well done!

I gave an opinion and you take offense. Your problem mate.

 

Interesting to see how this will pan out. If Tonev turns into a very productive member of the team after his ban, are we going to sign him permanently? Or is this hanging over his head too much regardless of his potential?

 

Too much sense,30 years ago a pal of mine who was a NYC cop got into a fight with a Hispanic guy outside a bar in the Bronx,JP knocked him down,as the guy was on the ground he pulled a gun,turned out he was a cop to.
Long story short,cops come and both are taken in,he says JP called him a SPIC (not true),JP says he called him a WHITE * again not true,guess who lost his job and got 5 years probation.

Anyhoo,Tonev guilty or not sucks and I find it rather strange that Villa have not said a word about this mess.

 

it is a messy situation alright. But like another guy said earlier .. i think every celtic fan would support him to the hilt if he fought tooth and nail to clear his name. Its a horrible label to hang over anyones head. His statement on the club site seems to accept it and all he can do is move on from this now.

Awck i dunno .. as much as it all appears too fishy, i feel uncomfortable with the sfa punishment aswell, based on zero evidence. No one but the two players really know what happened.

 

If he's not willing to fight this then I don't believe him any more.

A man should be willing to do what it takes to clear his name in this instance, never mind that he has the full backing of his club and his international FA.

If he walks away from this it leaves a sour taste the mouth.

I was perfectly willing to stand beside him if he wanted to fight this but if he gives it up then he can go back to Villa as far as I'm concerned.

 

I'm not taking offense mate.. I'm not even having a go at you so I apologise that it came off that way. I'm just trying to put the situation into context for the sake of argument.

What evidence would I have against you if was being serious? (for arguments sake, my PM box had been emptied). Would/should my word be enough to get you banned off the forum? not a chance.