Monti

hes young and stupid is an excuse am 17 and i dont go hittin people and putting them in a comaeven if i was drunk id never do tht

i dont think he should get chucked out the club i think like a match day banned fae celtic or mibi more match days bans but thats all

 

Nah....not acceptable for anyone never mind Celtic....should be on the dole and never be allowed to kick a baw again. Just like Barton should have been if the people in power was big enought o banish him....

 

Disgusting, but i still think he deserves a second chance. If he does anything else, then yes, he should be gone.

 

The guy's what... 17? Jesus, it's like you think he has nothing more to learn in his life. He doesn't have a prior history of doing this sort of thing like Barton did. Never be able to kick a ball again? FFS * happens sometimes and it looks like he just got carried away.
He's young... give him a second chance. Give him a punishment, hope he'll learn from it and move on from there.

 

Very well put Diegan

 

I think we give in far too easily to celebs, and although he isnt one yet! he should know how to act.

First are we saying that almost killing someone is a life lesson and therefore he deserves a second chance, give it a rest.

Second look at drogba, and barton, once he does get spot light attention these little incidents would become the norm, once an idiot always an idiot.

third, I would rather not support or have my kids suport someone like that.

 

Not what we're saying at all... quite the opposite. I think he should be dealt with by whatever the law and the club deem necessary, but when that's over we should give him a second chance. Don't talk about Barton... they aren't even in the same league... Barton has a history of this sort of thing with very publicized events where he was clearly in the wrong. We don't know the events surrounding this kid's problem.

Second of all, stop acting like you know him. Your assumption that he will never change from an immature 17 year old is insulting, personally, coming from someone who had very, very serious issues at around that age. I'd like to consider I've learned from my experiences and that I won't "always be an idiot" despite doing some inappropriate things.

 

So are you saying regardless of the crime, as long as the law punish him, he should be given a second chance, assuming he is in the wrong.

I just do not agree, people have to be held responsible for their actions, he is in the public eye and therefore, needs to be above this, again assuming he is guilty.

Possibly saying he will never change is slightly beyond the reasonable, I have many youngsters who work for me, and I tell them if you want respect you have to give respect.

 

Yes, I am. A second chance... not a third, or fourth, or fifth like what happens with people in the public eye. You seem to be confusing getting a clean slate upon admission of a wrong and punishment with complete amnesty for whatever they do without consequences... I'm not at all saying that. There is a great variability in people and assuming that what they are at 17 will be what they are in the future is simply inhuman. People change and they grow up. Maybe he won't... in which case I have no qualms with throwing him away and declaring him a lost cause. The reason for the judiciary system the first go round is to rehabilitate people... you have to have faith that the system has worked and let him try again. Often times with people in that situation hope that people will give you another chance is the only thing they have from slipping back into being with the wrong people again. It would be a horribly callus thing to do to take that away from him.

Your last part is irrelevant. Respect is earned no matter what age someone is... Out of people I know closely, the person I respect the most in the world is my little 12 year old brother who has the heart of a lion and the person I respect the least in the world is my paternal grandfather at 70. The best leaders are those who inspire respect, not tyrannically demand it.

 

You miss the point slightly, demanding respect doesn't work. But if someone doesnt show me respect, and I'm talking about as an equal or a human, then they will loose that respect from me.

Maybe a second chance is required, but its a high profile job and if you can not keep your nose clean, I don't want my kids and others kids to have to pick up the paper in two years, when/if he does it again on his second chance, this time he could be a first team regular, and the impression he gives to the younger generation is not the one I want giving to my kids.

I agree a second chance and rehabilitation is important, but I think the figures show within the UK system, that rehabilitation has a pretty low sucess rate.

I'm not saying throw the kid in jail and throw away the key, I am saying dont give him a highly paid position or responsibility if he is not up to it, if in a few years he proves he can handle it then fine.

 

* *. The boy he done in was in a coma for 3 MONTHS!!!!!

 

I still think your respect comment is a little irrelevant, but thanks for clarifying, I feel the same way. I just thought you were getting at the age=respect argument... so sorry for getting that bit wrong and continuing on with it.

And your last comment there makes me think we've misunderstood each other somewhere because this, again, is my opinion, too. If he's convicted for this assault he should do some time and then be reevaluated by the club. What's happened with Barton is a joke, in my opinion... Him claiming that he'll be a role model is just salt in the wound. He should just shut the * up, stay out of the way and thank * that he is in the position he is... I sincerely wish he had messed with the wrong person and got his face lit up.

 

If he's found guilty then surely he's going to be out of the game for some time, a few years no? If he's out for that long at this crucial point in his developement he's not going to be worth taking back.

Not that I think he should be if he is found guilty. He nearly killed someone. I'll say that again.

He nearly killed someone.

 

Diegan, I think we should agree to agree.

 

Kick him out? ffs hes still a kid...... Plenty of time to grow up, i just hope its sooner rather than later though, theres nothing worse than young players putting Celtic FC in the papers for the wrong reasons.

 

You don't know the real story.

How do you not know this person provoked the attack or something?

 

Provoked into beating someone into a coma? Catch yourself on.

 

I find it hard to take an article in th DR about Celtic or any of its staff as gospel. They do have previous as we all know.

When all's said and done. Who in Glasgow didnt get into scraps at 17. Okay, he might have went overboard, but when your in that situation I defy anyone to be thinking rationally.

Give the bhoy a break till we know the facts of the situation.

 

Ah *. Thats shockin, can't really overlook that.

Shame he looked a player, tiny though.