TC American Presidential Election Thread

Barack is more suited to the ideal of the 'everyman'. Which is far more appealing, hence his popularity, as opposed to McCain and Palin who, as Republicans, tend to be so out of touch with the country they could potentially govern.

Obama/Biden '08

 

Personally I don't know enough about each candidates policies to make a decision. However that Palin woman doesn't have a clue and shouldn't be governor never mind vice-president. Obama does seem more appealing to other countries mainly because of his charisma and the fact that McCain was pro-war. * Simon Cowell, elections can be exciting but I would say electing the right leader is more important than entertainment.
I wonder what George Bush is doing during his last day of being president?

 

it doesn't matter who wins for me... they are both * sharks.... anyone who thinks obama is going to bring change, or anything of the like is in a dream world.

 

Neither republicans nor democrats are inherently bad... this is what makes me so angry with our system. The only reason things got so * up was because we had all three branches of our government under one party. Could you imagine what would happen if one party controlled your entire country? It's essentially a totalitarian regime, we were no better off than China, Cuba, or any other one-party nation until 2006. And now... guess what? We are about to have that again because the American populace is so * stupid to remember the past. Only this time, I believe the Democrats will have a super majority in congress, meaning that they essentially will have no checks or balances. Please tell me how a one party system is good for any nation.

This is why the election scares me so much, there is NO good choice no matter how much people are stuck up Obama's *. We either have a one party system ruling us for at least the next two years or we have a madwoman pulled straight from the House of horrors one very, very weak seventy-odd year old heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the world. * me, this is frightening.

 

There is so much of coverage of this that
everone is forgettin GLENROTHES

 

in his 3 years as a senator obama hasn't made any changes so why do people think he's the man to change america and lead the free world? the only reason people are against mc cain is because he's a republican but if you look at his policies alot of them seem more democratic. obama spent $982 million in his time as a senator, almost $1 million a day, why is he the right man to lead a country in recession?

 

Mccain to win

 

McCain/Palin are more out of touch but what does that matter in matters of economic reform, they'll know what orks, what doesn't while if you take a hard look at Obama's economic reform policies, you wonder where the money is coming from as he has spend SO much as a senator and in his campaign and the programs he wishes to start

 

I hope obama gets in.imo things will only get worse if mccain gets in.

 

Mccain for me.

 

We need expericance not some celebrity so Mccain

 

January. Can't remember the exact date but I'm pretty sure it's early in the month.

I'm rooting for Obama, I wasn't overly bothered which got it until McCain appointed Palin. Oh dear. Well, I suppose we shouldn't give her too much stick, you can't criticise her foreign policy after all, she can even see Russia from land in Alaska!!!

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

 

20th or 21st i cant remember exactly.

 

This is a mind-bogglingly hostile attack. Times are troubled, so everyone is hurting... I have plenty of friends who's family belongs in this bracket and the last thing on their mind is a limited edition Gucci watch. More on their minds is the fact that they are deemed "too rich" to get any financial aid for college, so they have two kids going to 30k/year schools which they have to pay for, plus sky rocketing mortgages, plus higher taxes than the rest of America. I think you are confusing the 200k-500k bracket with the 1mil+ bracket. Those are too entirely different things and your tone is, frankly, insulting to the many friends I have who are having an extremely tough time right now because, unlike me, they don't qualify for any aid, at all, from the government.

A country devestated by Republican ideals? Would those be the hallmarks of Republicanism like favoring isolationism? Because the Republican party was the one that got America out of Vietnam. If you don't know the history of the American political parties then just don't talk about it... Before 2000 the Republican party essentially held the position that the Democrats have now. Just because a bunch of power hungry * hijacked the party doesn't mean that's what it stands for... actually Republicans running for office now can't stay far away enough from Bush, many are actually bragging about their ties to Obama. They are avoiding his regime like the plague because they know that's not what they stand for.

The sense that he's only been a Senator for 2 years.

Wrong. Again. Don't talk about that which you don't know.

Polls show that 8% of Americans plan to vote for him because he's black, while 6% plan to vote against him because he's black. Based on those, his race is helping him.

McCain's numbers have dropped since he involved Palin. He riled up the far-right with the choice but moderates, like me, who had been leaning towards him ran as fast as we could in any other direction besides his. it appears Americans aren't quite as dumb as you think.

The best President in America's history was a horrible public speaker and didn't have much person-to-person charisma. That man was Abraham Lincoln. The most power-hungry pander-to-the-masses and most dangerous president America has ever had, Andrew Jackson, was one of the best Presidents at speaking. Unfortunately you display the average idea now that it is more important that a President is "like totally kewl and can talk well" instead of actually having the ability to do the job.

Yes, and Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Jefferson, and many other presidents that were the best men for the job but were less than inspiring public speakers. 10 minute attention spans for the win!

 

Before I read your reply, Diegan. One issue for now...

"Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996"...

I said he was part of the senate for over 10 years.

 

Wrong Senate, buddy... State Legislature is hardly a qualifying job for the Presidency. Or did you forget that we are a federalist nation and that there are 51 different legislatures in the country?

 

Shame his Gran has died, won't get to see him become president.

 

Very sad, indeed. There, I imagine, is nothing better than seeing your children and grand-children succeed. R.I.P... she almost made it. On a human level I can sympathize with him greatly and he must be a mess right now trying to decide how to feel between grief and the upcoming ecstacy.

*edit* and Another thing I'm mad at Obama for is * up what would have been an ideal situation of 16 years of steady rule... Clinton, in hindsight, would definitely have been the best choice for President, and with the added experience of another 8 years in the Senate and being groomed for Presidency, Obama would have had the ability to be one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen, but he rushed it and now I have a horrible feeling everything will go to *.

 

Fair enough, Diegan, I get what you're saying. I probably was a bit too damning of people who are possibly falling under that bracket, but I have strong sympathies for those who don't have it all, materialistically. I concede that I probably shouldn't have been somewhat negative against those that fall under shorter brackets over $200k.

Republican ideals, I was talking frankly about latest Republican developments. 2000+. I'm not generalising the whole history of the Republican party, so maybe I should have clarified it better as Bush and his supporters' ideals.

Sorry if I've riled you a bit Diegan, but you're splitting hairs and being a bit patronising. Your opinions matter, moreso than mine considering you're living in America and your vote counts, so good luck to you.

 

No worries, people also forget that despite recent gains, one pound is still more than 1.5 dollars, so when you adjust that and take into account the credit crisis there is a definite group of around 200-300k that will get massively screwed here.

I know you were, and I was just pointing out that those that feel most betrayed by Bush are "true" Republicans like my parents (I'm a registered Independent). For them to be put into the same category of Bush is just wrong based on what the Republican party has stood for... so what is semantics for you is a clear cut difference over here.

No worries, I've had a long day and some of those sarcastic remarks were a little patronising and I genuinely regret that, but I also don't think it's splitting hairs. Again, on things like State Legislature vs. Federal Legislature... those are enormous, enormous differences. It's the difference between representing the 13 million people of Illinois versus representing the over 300 million people of all the States. You can see, I hope, that the responsabilities are almost incomparable, and that Obama has had only 2 years experience on this stage.