Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

I'm torn with him on the one hand we've gone from Kyogo and Giakoumakis to Iheanacho and Kenny within 2 years we've totally stripped the squad for parts but his persistence with guys clearly miles off it is starting to annoy me but I'm also fully aware we've basically seen every one in the squad play this season and nobody is in form so does changing it really make a difference

 

I still think we'll do it but the alarming part with your thinking is he's had a couple of weeks international break to think things through, tinker and work on the training ground. Then first game back we get well beat by a poor Dundee side, and lacked any ideas..

 

He really just hasn’t got the fire in his belly anymore with us, and who can blame him with the way he’s been treated by the board AGAIN. The fans are caught in the middle of a power struggle and the team also. Would we see a fired up Brendan if lawell was shown the door? I think so. Will we get to find out? I hope so

 

Fair enough, agree to disagree here pal. I think his comments were daft considering what he was up against, and I'm not trying to talk up this Celtic squad to be blazing a trail on all fronts as it's definitely been mismanaged by all involved, and our inability to freshen it up has clearly led to a significant malaise - but we're talking about creating more than 2 or 3 chances against the likes of Dundee, Kairat, and a Hun side who EVERYONE has scored against this season. I don't think it's asking much of a supposed elite manager to conjure up better with what he's got, despite the options being weaker than they should be considering our off-field potential, we're better than what we've shown still (imo).

I just can't remove a managers influence on team performances as easily as some seem able to.

 

I do agree with alot of what you're saying too, in isolation of the Dundee game his comments do look daft, but given the start to the season I agree with him. Hopefully he can conjure up more than what we've seen so far, otherwise we're in massive trouble. I really don't care about Thursday night but we need a massive improvement against Hearts on Sunday, I just don't know how we go about that and I fear that we aren't going to score enough goals regardless of setup.

 

The problem is there are plenty of signs Rodgers system was ailing well before the Summer.

The games against a completely dysfuntional sevco side underscore that better than anything.

This started before we even sold kyogo.

We had kyogo out and jota in for jan. Maeda moved to cf where he performed well. But rangers still trounced us in ibrox with a completely makeshift defence. And then even worse beat us on our own patch.

Similar failings identified in all games. Our midfield bossed by raskin who jas never looked as good against anyone else bit somehow managed to dominate us and despite being about 5 foot was able to threaten and score from set pieces.

A dysfunctional midfield. Vulnerable from set pices. Same weakmesses we have now.

We have bought enough players on rodgers watch now that at least some of them should have kicked on, developed and improved but its been a complete wash out. Bernardo, nygren, idah, engels, trusty, tounetki, balikwisha, iheanacho etc. You have to be able to get more out of these guys. They cant all be total *.

 

Who chose to sign Tounekti, Iheanacho, Balikwisha ?

Ok making excuses about the lack of quality up top but that's still 2 decent transfer fees and a big wage there. Maybe we should have went out and used that money on 3 players who offer more of a goalscoring threat.

 

I thibk Tounekti and Iheanacho have shown up quite well so far.. its just we have nothing on the RW.. thats negligent

 

Especialy as we have a right winger keeping our most expensive signing out of a midfield position.

 

It's not an excuse it's incompetence. Maeda was basically gone so signing 2 would have made sense but to then sign 2 and keep Maeda is a failure in stratagey. Iheanacho was signed on a free straight out the managers phonebook after an absolutely catastrophic failure of not only not replacing Kyogo but also then letting Idah go with nobody coming in.

 

Celtic are still eager to tie manager Brendan Rodgers down to a new contract, sources have told Football Insider.

Rodgers’ current deal runs out at the end of the season, and there is some doubt over his future with the Glasgow giants.




Celtic are on a poor run of form in the Scottish Premiership, currently sitting five points adrift of league leaders Hearts.

The Hoops have won just one of their last five games in all competitions, and fan discontent is growing with every bad result.





As well as poor performances domestically, Celtic have just one point from their opening two games in the Europa League.

Sources say that despite recent form, the board are still in ongoing talks with Rodgers over a new deal.

The Northern Irishman has a lot of credit in the bank at Parkhead, meaning that the hierarchy at the club are not concerned about a couple of bad results.




However, the longer the situation drags on without a resolution, the more likely it is that Rodgers will depart at the end of the season.

 

You feel like we'd have more of a chance of winning games and going on a run if Lennon came back not even joking. Lennon was more flexible with formations and tactics and at loads of points under him we went on winning runs just by playing ordinary football and battling for wins.

It's not really Rodgers style to scrape wins by playing mediocre under him you barely create a chance if you don't play well.

 

Not a chance he signs a new deal.

 

That's a puff piece. Nothing to see here .......... He's definitely not being backed and they're playing the "the problem isn't with us card". Results are already making fans turn on BR and this board are going nowhere. They've got all the time in the world to ride this out and rid themselves of BR.

 

I agree. His whole body language in press conferences is totally flat.

 

BR dared to try and escape mediocrity .....unfortunately our board is steeped in it.

 

Feels more like a way to avoid blame by the board than anything genuine.

* another season of this * anyway. Rodgers hasn't really done anything to merit another year at this point. Not really had any positive contribution in 9 - 10 months. If he actually did something sure re-evaluate.

 

He needs to ditch the style of play.

Imagine how refreshing and even exciting it would be for him to come out and say we're struggling to play the way we normally do and are going to adapt to just win individual games to see us through until January or whatever.

Then come out against Hearts for example like

Schmeichel
Donovan CCV Scales Sarrachi
Engels Bernardo McGregor Tounetki
Nygren
Iheanacho
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No passing it from the back arsing about. Just launching the ball up the park, winning headers or knockdowns, playing basic old school 4-4-2, hitting it wide and crossing from deep, trying to pick up 2nd balls, chip and pass ball and * balls through the middle all the time or down the wings, play long diagonals from the back.

Constanly give away the ball and battle for it back and attack fast.

Would be much better to watch and lead to much easier ways of scoring goals.

Watching us trying to play like Barcelona with 1 winger and no pace or even guys in the right positions in most of the attack it's been * woeful.

 

What we don't do now either is the striker used to basically hide behind the oppositions defence, which made defences and midfields be more separate against us.

Like Kyogo under Ange then Kyogo and even Idah under Rodgers, they always hung about behind the oppositions defence, making them worried that if we got down the wing thered be cut backs and tap ins, so they always were panicked into going deeper which gave our midfield and even wingers more space higher up the park, then we even made up for the lack of the striker being involved by having Taylor in midfield.

Now none of that happens, it's like Rodgers has forgot the purpose and impact of the striker being behind the oppositions defence.

He still tries to do the full-backs coming into midfield type thing but theres no real point when the striker is standing infront of the oppositions defence as for the opposition everything is under control and theres no space anyway. They can sit in a bank of 4 and 5 or 5 and 4 and nobody really has to move because we're just playing in front of them.

Celtic should invite big Ange up to a couple of games and then tell him to phone Rodgers and tell him what he's not doing right.

 

The old Rodgers team as well when you think played the basic Rodgers way it had many guys who could run with the ball which is what you need when you aren't really doing anything tactically to create space. If we are playing 9 at the back we need a Forrest/Sinclair/Roberts on both wings and even an Armstrong/Rogic/Christie who can run with the ball or off the ball into space and even back then had Edouard who could turn on a ball and run at people and McGregor also would do that from deep. Most of the attacking players could open a team up.

You need ball carriers to take people on to create space if you aren't creating space off the ball tactically.

This team haven't got ball carriers, only really Tounetki and Yang and Yang is pretty uneffective as he never cuts in to shoot and he mostly turns and passes it back. Then we don't have people off the ball who move into spaces well, Iheanacho and Nygren even Hatate are all ball players who are looking for players to run off them but they're all playing together, rather than having one guy like that playing with an Armstrong and Kyogo type, we've got 3 of the same type of player looking to do the same role. Got 3 guys who try to find space in the midfield areas to link play but none of the movement to make them effective. 3 guys trying to feed guys who don't exist.