Who exactly.needs to go and when?

Listening to 20 min tims and melly suggested a scarf of protest like United fans did with the glazers. I like this for a few reasons, it's a big visual display of discontent. It doesn't put money into the boards pockets, it keeps the support for the players and it'll keep us all united in the vision for the future without fatigue

 

Coupled with repeated chants of DD get tae and sack the board.

 

Agreed mate

What a shambles eh. We shouldn't be in the position, it's actually sickening

 

I do get that the current lot are not exactly open to modernisation and have questionable ambition, but as unpopular as it may be at the minute I do value the fact they are looking after the clubs financial stability.

Sacking the lot and starting again could bring problems of a whole different kind. Maybe worth the risk for a lot of folk but I'd be reluctant when there are things we could tweak that would leave us in a better position.

Am hoping that Desmond passes his lot on to his son soon and he/the board see it as a chance to refresh. Reevaluate how we operate and try and improve it. Just going in with a flamethrower and wiping the lot is just not a solution to me.

 

Respect your opinion mate, I can even understand the reasoning. But fundamentally disagree. We been told time and time again the operation will be revamped, reviewed, changed - blah blah blah

This has to be the time for change. They have outstayed their welcome

 

Aye something has to change, that much is undeniable. It's just what exactly that looks like is the issue. Nothing is guaranteed either way tbh.

 

No arguments with your first paragraph there, it's definitely went too far in the safety direction. Whatever happens I want that basic idea to remain though, we've done well getting ourselves to this point so it'd be wise to continue it albeit with altered priorities.

I don't care how much a time a guy spends on a golf course tbh, that's by the by. It's something that's levelled at Dermot all the time but it means nothing in reality. The problem is the overall vision has has for the club and how he can influence things. If his boy has fresh ideas I'd be open to finding out what they were.

I'd prefer more (sensible) fan involvement tbh rather than the current setup, but unsure how realistic that is.

 

Cheers mate

 

Lawell and Nicholson need to go and on the 23rd of September.

I remember the lift everybody got when Jock Brown was sacked in November 98.
Celtic went out that day and gubbed Dundee 6-1 and a couple of weeks later did the huns 5-1.

Getting ridding of those two * would get our Europa campaign of to a flier.

 

Apart from the obvious damage they are inflicting on the team there's a distinct whiff of Toryism and freemasonry to our board. That alone should be enough to want them gone ASAP. Desmond strikes me as the type of Irish man who would be 'honoured' to meet the King or Queen of England. That sort are always for the watching.

 

Ouwith changes at boardroom level, we also need to move on from the 'jobs for the boys' mentality that has been rife for years. Every position should be the best candidate, not shoehorning some ex player into a position.

Scouting, coaching. Having played at the club doesn't make you the best candidate for any of these jobs.

 

I agree, but would make an exception in the case of John Kennedy.

 

Depends on who's truly running the place.

If it's as bad as the supposed dictatorship of DD, then we've next to no chance.

But part of me still doesn't believe he's the real issue - I think he's happy just being on the side and earning his coin while getting to say who he is on a golf course.
That however doesn't explain the rumours that every major deal/transfer/financial spend needs to go through him personally (rather than the board as an organisation).

I'm more inclined to believe it's not white that much of a dictatorship at the DD level (without completing absolving him) and that the issue is some weird * up board routine, with a board made up of 8 folk with not a single one of them having any experience in Sports, outwith their own time at Celtic - which for a lot of them borders on way over due time over.

I'd happily get rid of all * 8 of them if I could, but the chances of that are slim to none.

The change perhaps needs to be that we need to ADD someone (many) to that board, that come from a Sporting background.
However, as we saw with McKay a few years ago, the board is quick to get rid of they don't like the overall direction or ideas of one individual.
Which, in itself, that saga probably explains how we operate as a whole fairly well. 1 out of the 8 of them at that time was different, the other 7 basically overruled him and got him off the board. We would thus need more than just one sporting background person on the board to try and cover for any of that potential.
Which also would be quite hard to achieve with the makeup of the board. If they all get to vote themselves back on to it, they're hardly gonna vote themselves off it.

So I guess, it's potentially an even bigger change in how we operate that is needed.

Just how hard/what's required to be able to get a sort of democratic voting setup for the board? Like what the Spanish clubs, more so Barcelona as an obvious example, do?
@FCBarca maybe able to help explain how this setup works at a high level.
But the way I see it, every season ticket holder (could spread it out to membership as well for folk who can't get a season ticket), gets a vote in an election year.
The Barcelona fans are called members/socios (?) and we would all get to vote our board/president/CEO in to position. With each vote being equal to each other, it would wipe out the idea of DD etc having the ability to scupper a vote and treat the club in a dictatorship manner.

It's not quite fan ownership, because we wouldn't own the club. But we would be members of it with a voting power.


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Anyone got a proper org chart for the club? For the board and the senior leadership team that reports in to Nicholson?

 

I dont think Desmond will go anytime soon, he's someone I think we're stuck with.

There is hope that we finally get rid of his underlings. Lawwell, Mckay and Nicholson.

 

@Peej

Key differences between Celtic & Barça in terms of model of governance is that Celtic is owned by public shareholders and Barça by its members. At Barça, as a member/socio based club with executive leadership structure & board of directors led by a President are elected every 5 years by all socios (season ticket holders or not)

I alluded to this previously but club members can even file a petition to censure the board if they are unhappy with the way the club is being run at any time during their tenure that requires a minimum of 10,000 signatures from socios to force a vote of no confidence and call urgent elections. This was done with Bartomeu who resigned rather than be ousted via the vote of confidence once it was clear the censure motion had more than enough votes to force the vote - all in the absence of club & local media reporting anything on it during COVID. Even in a democracy, corrupt boards via media can influence outcomes but not in this case as the people/socios won and, frankly, saved the club

Since Celtic are technically a PLC, they’d need to de-list from the stock exchange in order to transform into a member voting model by buying out current shares and converting them into membership stakes. This is a costly, legally complex & virtually improbable route to take

Corporate reform to define membership rights akin to Celtic Trust that includes voting rights but this too would require introspective corporate shift & even Scottish FA weighing in. A lot of politics there to imagine a company ceding even a single seat but who knows

In short, to become member/fan owened the probability is very low. Fan advisory boards are more likely but these are not binding in terms of their positions on club issues. An elected board seat could be the best case scenario but this would require shareholder approval and would not assure any leverage in club decisions