Who you blaming?

This hits the nail on the head for me, albeit id maybe put the board at blame slightly more.

 

Better teams lose to worse teams all the time.

Rangers had a better head to head than us last year. If you judged solely on the matches we had with them they looked a better team.

Kairats approach to the two legs tells you everything about the respective abilities of the two sides. They played for penalties.

Fair play to them yes. Incredible achievement for them to get to champions league. They will be exposed there though quite badly i feel. They are closer to a conferance league team.

 

They done brilliantly. They knocked out not just 1 but 2 teams that qualified last year. Fair play.

 

Going into a CL qualifier with at least 3 guys heads gone elsewhere and no fresh faces to fill the gaping chasms already there has to be at the boards door. Rodgers unable to motivate and unable to find a way to replace the inverted left back (funny how McGregor is suddenly an easy target for opposing DM) is at his door.

 

We played Kairat over 2 legs though. Its not like it was a one off game where anyone can win a single game of football. 2 legs is deliberately designed that way. And over the 2 legs their strategy worked perfectly and ours totally failed. So I don't care about arguing over who the better team is. They did their job, beat us, and got their reward. Claiming we're better is hollow.

 

Even over the two legs though, you could see we were the better side. We were the ones trying to win the tie. They got through their last two qualifiers on penos by digging in and being hard to beat. We should have been end of tge road for them.

I think the issue is by saying they are a better side than us its absolving us of the expectation that we should be winning the tie. Which irrespective of our issues i think we should absolutely be expecting to progress there.

 

We did nothing to prepare for that tie. Absolutely not a thing. Selling quality players, not replacing them and being arrogant enough to think what you have left is enough to win is exactly why we're out. Our squad now wasn't good enough to get the job done. Had to rely on Yang and Forrest to try and create chances. Thats a massive downgrade on what we had last year, and it proved to be not be enough. So sure the historical expectation would suggest we should be winning. But in actual fact we needed to invest in the team at the start of the window, bring in some quality and take the game seriously. We got the easiest tie on paper we could ask for and we still weren't good enough to win. So fail to prepare, prepare to fail as the old cliche goes.

And I don't agree that we showed anything over the 2 games. It was 2 of the worst performances I can remember from us. We were monumentally *.

 

It's a * take to suggest the better team won, when Kairat were ranked 311th in the UEFA club rankings. Arguably it was the worst defeat in the history of the club, and if Rodgers had any self respect, he would have tendered his resignation right after the * imo. A * that has cost the club £40M, and very likely hampered our ambitions in the transfer market. For an alleged elite manager like Rodgers, who stood on the touchlines with his hands in his pockets for 220 minutes against a mob of journeymen, refused to change his rigid, inflexible and obviously not working 4-3-3 system, and started and continued with one ageing winger and another winger who never turns up in the big games, when he had more viable options in the squad, and then tragically delays his substitutes to the 70th minute in the suffocating heat and altitude of Kairat, that's not a case of the better team winning, that's a case of verging on self sabotage in my books.

 

Its a * take for me to suggest the better team lost when we offered absolutely nothing. What is exactly is Rodgers meant to change? He had absolutely * all quality on that bench. Change his 4-3-3 for what exactly? Yang and Forrest were literally the only 2 wingers we had in the entire squad. We had a striker in Idah with one foot out the door, Daizen flipping between left wing and striker who also was banking on a move away. What other firepower did we have? Absolutely nothing. We had a few midfielders and a few defenders sitting on the bench. And 2 keepers. The squad going into those games was 100% unacceptable. Watching us at the end of last season it was clear to anyone with eyes that we needed signings straight away and to bed them into the team. And that was before we sold our best winger from last season in Kuhn. So the fact that we spent next to no money before that tie while selling Kuhn and brining in a bunch of cheap punts absolutely nullifies your points. Brendan is a good manager, but he's not a * magician. We got what we deserved.

 

Aye I replied to myself saying board 70% manager 20%.

 

I'm actually sick of saying it mate, but I will say it one more time for the sake of the uninitiated.
We could easily have played either Nygren or Shin on the right wing, that would have taken a spent Forrest out of the equation right away, we could have played Maeda on the left wing and that would have taken the erratic Yang out of the equation.( Second Leg).

We could have changed the failing 4-3-3 system to 4-2-3-1 and shored up the midfield with a double pivot. We could have introduced substitutes quicker and sooner, especially in the second leg.
I could go on and on, but I won't.

If Rodgers is such an elite manager, why then did he fail to see the obvious.?
Or was he just determined to give the Celtic Board another massive FU ?.

 

I blame myself.

For failing to get my life in order and for not making my dad proud of me.

 

Kairat deserved it more than us on every single level and for countless reasons they succeeded, including preparation.
In a competitive scenario the two of us teams should be compared and scrutinized, thats where you see that they had every advantage over us. Thats their own belief and ambition driving them towards their goals.

 

Wish you all the best Mark!

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That's all said in hindsight though I think mate. Its more obvious to me that us fans should probably not give tactical advice, else whats the point in having a manager? Can we really identify a bad tactician by their seeming inability to do the obvious or is it more based on our own interpretation of how the game should be played? In which case, who the * are we? Sort of thing. I agree with what you are saying I just think we got to be balanced aswell.

 

I'd like to think some of us have the foresight either as a manager or even a poster on this board to have seen the blinding obvious mate, never mind hindsight, and been able to predict accurately the outcome of taking or failing to take any desired course of footballing action, and I know some do.

For the love of me, I still cannot understand or believe honestly, why Rodgers did what he did in the two disastrous ties with Kairat, given his immense managerial and coaching experience.

There is no logical or credible reasons in my eyes for what he did and didn't do.
And while I'm at it, to send an unsettled and emotionally messed Idah up to take the first penalty beggered belief.

 

We lost that tie before a ball was even kicked in my opinion, simply because they wanted it more. This meant they put full preparation into what they saw as a massive opportunity. What did we do as a club? Apart from everything possible to diminish the belief we had and totally make it a certainty that we don't deserve to be there in the first place.
Every single level of contempt this board has for us is Rodgers problem to deal with, anyone who says ''that Celtic team should be beating them anyway" is missing the glaringly obvious.
They built their own advantage and success where as we crumbled ours.

 

Whilst both share blame, the board claim the lion's share.

Yes, Rodgers needed to do more to adapt his tactics and get the squad motivated to play important games. However, the negative attitudes that have crept into the squad emanate from the board's negative attitude towards transfers and the manager himself.

It's difficult to convince a team to get excited for CL football when the personnel alongside them aren't cut out for it. When all the best players are leaving or frustrated because they want away but are having their deals held up, that's going to affect your outlook.

The manager has to change those attitudes but that job is made harder by the board undermining him. Contradicting his commitments, failing to negotiate a new contract, and not backing him with signings suggests they don't rate him. Difficult for a manager to ask players to trust in him when the club's leadership clearly don't.

To me the rot in the team comes from the top down. There is a cabal of decrepit parasites sucking the life out of this club and they need to be prised off before we can move forward.

 

Yes it can. Some people have the opinion that the Earth is flat.

 

They beat us fair and square but by your logic we had a better team than Barca when we beat them in 2012, which no rational person would agree with. What that does do though, is highlight that your argument here has more holes than a golf course.