Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

And yet after all these years Bodo still dont get the respect they deserve.

They are run insanely well, if we were run like them we'd be in the CL no problem.

But my point still stands. Every 3rd season the board pull back so aggressively it * off the manager and they leave

 

I have 0 doubt whatsoever.

 

We got * hammered by them. They scraped past AZ in extra time in the next round before Roma took them out 5-2 on aggregate.

Ange didn't win any of his last 8 games in Europe. His time here was a defeat to Midtjylland in the qualifying rounds, wins against Jablonec and AZ. 3rd place finish in Europa league group stage and hammering by Bodo in the Conference league. Ange's last 8 games in Europe for us didn't even get a win, 6 defeats and 2 draws.

Don't talk to me as if Ange would have done any better last night.

 

We're just 1 week on from these comments. Last week some folk couldn't understand why he said it and thought it didn't make sense and now look at this thread.

He has said before during and now after the event we needed to improve the squad. It's ok to say we had enough to beat Kairat but we also had enough to beat Malmo,Cluj, Maribor etc we've been here before and we will absolutely be here again. There is 1 constant throughout all our failings in Europe and it is not the manager.

 

Yeah, I find that incredible. Ange had an utterly appalling record in Europe. His last 8 European games were:

P8 W0 D2 L6 GF 20 GA 5

That's the guy you think would have brought us through last night?

 

I think mckinnes would have got us through almaty tbh.

 

100% He would have.

We are slow stale predictable and passing the ball around the defence with players who look like they've been picked out the crowd to play.

And this is not just the Kairat games, we've been very poor since the Bayern games and brendan can't get the players to play for him it's as clear as day.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to give Ange a boot in the baws for leaving us when he did but he would have had those players giving it 110% and not allowed to be walking about the pitch in the most important game of the season.

 

It's possible to share the blame for failures, and while the transfer window has been unacceptable and the squad is weaker than last season, his tactical approach to that tie was awful as well. Pointing that out isn't absolving the board of their role in this * show, but Rodgers is still culpable for his part.

He's completely one dimensional and for me lacks less plan B than any managers, including Ange who got so much stick for that. At least his plan A was entertaining and created chances.

Rodgers is the most stubborn coach I've watched at Celtic - we could all see it wasn't working and didn't suit the opponent but we never switched the style up once.

 

In Ange's CL season we got 4th place inthe groups with 2 points. In Rodgers's first back we were 4th as well with 4 points. So the result was basically the same. Last autumn was the best football I've seen from us for many years because it was a good mix of Ange and Rodgers. It was more stable defensively but still enough urgency going forward.

Then, Ange's last half year we played some turgid football but we rarely gave points away. The last half year of Rodgers was worse than that and we lost two against the huns and draw the last. And we lost points to other small clubs in the league.

As good as the first half season was last year, as bad was the second half. And that's on Rodgers' tactics. I don't know how he turned the football bad so quickly too. And getting dominated by the huns three times in a row is disgusting for any manager. Even more for the highest paid in our history.

Rodgers' suffers from the board * him over with transfers. But he has to take some of the blame as he looks incapable of changing his tactics, formation when they are not working.

Is firing him the solution? No, because the board stays the same so it doesn't really matter who manages us. But it would be good for Rodgers to go to a club that supports his vision. And the board should hire a manager that suits theirs. One that is used to work on a budget. If the football is better? I doubt it.

 

No one would have because in our 3rd season the board always deliberately kneecap the club.

But is not like Rodgers is without his own European failings. "Scrapped" past Lincoln Red Imps after losing to them in Gibraltar. Nigh every historic loss in Europe is Rodgers.

Not like we got more points in the Europa group stages than the huns and who were the ones that went to the final that year? Sometimes the results dont show the full picture.

 

Again I find it incredible you think that when Ange was a complete disaster in Europe. Results wise Rodgers has been every bit as good as Ange and he has had to depart with over 100m of player sales. Ange has gotten a lot more support than Rodgers has by the board. Rodgers has had to lose Jota, Kyogo, MOR, Kuhn, Abada, Starfelt, Taylor, Hart and has only been allowed spend a fraction of what he took in. We still haven't replaced Kyogo or Kuhn.

 

I agree with that.

The problem is a manager that suits the boards vision is a manager that isn't good enough to manager a club like Celtic, they only want a Neil Lennon or John Kennedy, a yes man who is beholden to the board as they are not good enough to get a job that big in their life again.

Lennon is the manager who has lost Celtic their only 2 titles in 15+ years, he is a manager who has been sacked by Botlon, Hibs, Omonia and Rapid Bucharest and is currently managing in the Scottish Championship. That is the type of calibre of appointee we will be appointing to take over from Rodgers and that's the calibre of manager who doesn't you league titles. If we get a good manager they will soon grow tired of being curtailed in their job by an austerity package from a grossly wealthy club.

 

However, even when we had over half the teams out injured with ange, we still dominated without just playing the ball around the back. Fast paced attacking football that never stopped.

Rodgeball is boring as *.

 

Nearly every player there was brought by and developed by ange.

He's lost anges touch in the team...and now what we are seeing is brendans side.

Need I say more?

 

BR Knows which players that wants to move. Leave them on the bench for sunday. There is a reason why we looked the best vs Falkirk and Livingston playing players who wants to be here.

He wont though. We will have to wait for his book to read the pish excuses of the problems the board but him as well have created.

 

Rodgers developed Maeda and MOR into far better players that they were under Ange.

What we are seeing with Brendan's side is a side that has 100m worth of talent taken out of it but still made it past the knockout stage in Europe last season and still delivered 2 titles and 2 cups and still sits top of the table domestically. What we also see is a 34 year old winger who couldn't get a look in under Ange now starting for Rodgers 4 years later because our board won't support our manager with the vast profits he has generated for them.

 

Ange had to come in and completely rejuvenate the squad, having guys like Biton playing CB.

Rodgers has been backed by spending money on guys like Engels, Idah, Trusty, players with whom appear to completely divide not just the fanbase but potentially the board with how poorly we've spent there and im a defender of Engels and Trusty.

Funny with the loss to Midtjylland you fail to mention we had to go with Welsh, Murray, Ralston, Bain, Soro all starting and the subs? Ajeti, Forrest, Montgomery Rogic.

 

Almaty would be an average team for the conferance league here. Teams like shamrock rovers and shelbourne have managed to go away from home in europe this year and produce better results.

I dont think we should be trying to defend anyone for this result.

Everyone involved needs to man up and say nowhere near good enough

 

We had to go with Forrest, Ralston, Colby Donovan, Yang, Dane Murray and the likes of Luke McCowan and Johnny Kenny on the bench last night. You're not making a very coherent argument here.

Rodgers has been very open that he has little say on transfers so why are you blaming board incompetence on transfers with him? A lot of those players were deadline day panic buys that you mentioned.