Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

I think anytime the ball was in the final 3rd it was going straight back, and we struggled to get the ball that far.

Quicken the passing pace, change the lanes of passing, break the lines running from midfield to front.

Have the midfield closer to the front 3, run behind them, run off them, drag players into uncomfortable positions. Do it at a much higher pace and accept that we might lose the ball doing that, but then step up the press as a higher press if we do that.

A double pivot means it’s not just Calmac as the link, and if they keep trying to man mark him it frees up space in the midfield, and he can break the lines going forward with his man following him and have whatever one of Nygren/Hatate next to him the space to play. Hatate for me, I’d have Nygren as AM.

Most importantly for me there; it’s something not prepared for, they need to adapt to it. They knew exactly how we would play and set up to not allow us to do it well. And we react to that by playing slower, more cautious. Sometimes we need to acknowledge it’s ok if we lose possession.

 

Iwata, Tillio, Kwon, Yang, Holm, Nawrocki, Palma, Lagerbielke we can probably add Inamura, Shin and Osmond to that list in the not to distant future.

Yet everyone will bash the manager over the head because of Engels, Idah and Trusty because it's players he wanted.

The club needs gutted from the top down. We've been here before and we'll be here again under a different manager in the future unless there is change at boardroom level

 

Absolutely true.

But Rodgers had more than enough tonight to do that mob, and the sevco mob various times last season; people have a cheek to say Ange is/ was tactically too rigid, and actually claimed RODGERS WOULD BE MORE PRAGMATIC, especially in big games.

He keeps * up big fixtures.

Elite manager my *.

 

Whilst recruitment has been undoubtably poor at times, it has been like that before Rodgers as well.
Whilst a large part of the blame lays at the door of the board, Rodgers must shoulder his part of the blame.

Over two legs we were * poor and player for player, we are a far superior side to them. Since the tail end of last season, we have been in no kind of form and we haven't yet found the performance levels this season.

Maeda and Idah look shot of confidence and none of our midfielders are in any kind of form this season. Our back line have actually been our main positive so far.

Yes the board haven’t backed Rodgers as they should have, but he hasn’t got anywhere near the most of what that group of players is capable of.

 

He is far more pragmatic, and that * me off. Ange was ok with more risks, less pragmatism.

Rodgers is a very good manager. People throw about elite, and he is on the cusp of that for me.


But he’s never reached that because of some very glaring flaws he refuses to acknowledge

 

Anyone blaming him for tonight is a * idiot, simple as.

That’s the worst Celtic front line of all time.

3 *, 4 once Idah came on, that couldn’t trap a * football.

Celtic in their worst state in any team in the 90s had competent forwards. Competent at worst.

Since the throbbers in our support always reference the 90s when they refer to anycunt under the age of 40 in our support as “entitled”, can they name a weaker forward line in their living memory?

I’ll save you the trouble. There isn’t one.

There will be in 5 year when we’re struggling to get in to the Conference League though.

So entitled.

 

We've been 'better' than pretty much every side to put us out in the recent past Malmo, Cluj, AEK amongst others. The constant through all of the failings in these qualifiers isn't the manager. We constantly go into these ties with 1 hand behind our back and when it goes * up we look to the manager when we should be looking at the board. If we had signed a Kyogo and Kuhn replacement and done the business that should have been done then fair enough but we've got nowhere near it.

 

Can I volunteer when Griffiths was awol, Eddy injured and it was Olly Burke and Mikey Johnston?

 

There’s no way they sack him.

 

That’s not even in the conversation for me. Anyone asking for it is either just very reactionary anger so soon after that game or never accepted him being back, and waiting for when he slips up,

 

He won’t be sacked but he deserves heavy criticism for going out to that mob. One of our worst ever European results. Certainly the worst loss in a qualifier. The squad is stale and our set up in both games was wrong.

 

I guess I’m an idiot then. The board and recruitment is definitely to fault but there’s a lot to blame on Rodgers.

If they’re signing players he doesn’t want, why? If they don’t trust him to find players why? If our front line is so bad (I do agree btw) why is he letting it be so bad? Surely if he wanted to keep Kyogo until a replacement was sorted, he could have?

Ange was able to get plenty of signings in, who he wanted, his players, why can’t Rodgers?

This is his 3rd season now and his second stint at the club, he knows how it works. If it’s that bad he should walk.

Then the performance, it’s his tactics we’ve seen the difference in Lennon to Rodgers to Ange and back to Rodgers. The style of play is significantly different. The football is so boring to watch, it could put me to sleep, defender to defender to midfield back to defender to striker back to defender, yawn.

He’s paid mega money for a manager in Scotland and for Celtic. He needs to make the big decisions and get them right, he needs to be able to sign the players he needs for his system, make sure they’re ready and able to play that style, etc. it does come down to him at the end of day. If the players can’t be motivated enough for this game or he can’t motivate them enough, to have the chance of the huge games, they shouldn’t be here and he is failing.

This feels like a huge rant, I’m not trying to do that. We’ve been hugely successful, especially under Rodgers and I accept we will lose games and not win everything, etc. but how we do it matters and this has been pretty brutal. Even in his press conferences he seems a little defeated to me.

 

Like I dont think theres anyone that would argue the board havent totally screwed the team this summer.

Watching us over those games though i also think its clear that the team is playing within themselves.

The front 3 were poor, but the ball was breaking down long before it reached that part of the pitch for large parts of the game.

On a bobbly pitch and awful surface we struggled to string any passes together from defence to midfield. It wasnt just forrest and yang miscontrolling it. Everyone did.

Wouldnt have been too much to ask for rodgers to tell his team to get the ball up the field more quickly and more directly than labouring around with it at the back and losing it in midfield.

 

When a big ego and rigid notions about football meet an average squad deprived of investment, you get yesterday's result.

 

Despite the recruitment (or lack of) issue he should still be able to navigate ties like this.

 

Rodgers is finished at management
Can see this season been dull season like last night game.
Let hope Huns don’t improve much as we lose title this year.
I said we should sacked him in summer.
His third year everywhere he goes pear shape and has been awful.

 

Inamura's passing would be great yesterday. Yamadas speed and movement would be great yesterday. The game changed when McCowan came on for the most overrated Celtic player ever in Hatate, in the last 5 minutes(!!!). He put Idah as the first PK taker. He played a 34 year old Forrest at RW. He played Nygren out of position. He let Yang on the plane. I could go on and on.

I don't think he wanted to be in the CL with this squad. He did not even look dissapointed after the game in the slightest.

He have been a great servant of the club, but it's time he and his ego leave after the season to bring freshness.

As much freshness as possible with a * board like ours.

He have been at fault for much stuff. Being stubborn refusing to play "club signings" due to being * off with not being able to chose the signings himself. Not defending the board at all but if there is one manager i would never trust with money, it is Rodgers. out of the last 30-40 he have recruited, about 3 have been good.

 

Another small example is watching tierney and ralston taking 5mins to take a throw in because nobody is moving and nobody wants the ball. Its embarrassing to watch.

This isnt "we had to play yang and forrest". Its just poor set up, organisation and desire across the team.

 

Engels from the start, Nygren out wide, Maeda left and Yamada through the middle. Would have made such a difference.

Add to that the stupid decision not to include Inamura, whose passing through the lines/long balls are exactly what we needed last night to connect defence to midfield/attack.

Huge blame on the manager. I'm also not having the transfer * is all the board's fault. They're mostly to blame, aye, but Rodgers is continually hoaching in the transfer market across his whole career. How folk can't see that pattern is beyond me. He can't identify a player for toffee.

 

The board is definitely the primary cause of us crashing out for the 5th time in a row, no doubt.

But that result is so bad it required Rodgers to massively * it up too.

He’s been * for a long time now, people need to stop trying to let him off the hook.

* against the baldy Huns, * against the pundit Huns, * in the cup final and now * in a qualifier against an absolutely dogshit team over two legs.

Even when we’re winning the football absolutely dire to watch.

For the record I don’t think he’s a * manager I just think he cannot be * being the Celtic manager.