Liam Scales

The CL last year daft *. You pulled the SPFL stats up instead of the entire seasons stats.

EVERY PLAYER STEPPED UP FOR THE GOAL. We are Celtic, why would we have a guy back in our own half. Watch the goal mate, CCV is right next to him. Stop twisting the truth.

If stats aren’t entirely binding or the only factor, then they aren’t completely independent are they? You’ve not got an understanding of how stats are interpreted if you think you can just look at them and make an opinion.

“You wanted the CL stats. I can find those for you no problem, the issue is you don't want to hear them if they contradict your subjective views.”

I have you the entire seasons stats. CL included you’re definitely not the brightest? It was you that left them out.

Oh look. Most inaccurate passes again. There’s a shock. Give up mate. He’s the weakest out the 3. We can see it by watching games and by stats.

 

You used them, on their own, to defend Scales at the weekend.

You are the only one using them alone. I’ve told you about 4 times now you need to actually watch the player to interpret the stats.

 

Agree, you have to use both.
However both can also be flawed as well as biased.
Truly objective assessments is pretty rare - especially amongst fans!
But that's the fun of the debate.....

 

* me.

Scales is the one carrying the ball out and progressing the ball. He’s maybe more comfortable doing it than CCV. If he * it, we have CCV covering rather than CCV losing it and Scales covering. That’s a coaching decision, that’s his role. That’s why his number are higher.

Doesn’t mean he’s good enough for us to do that or anything comes of it.

I’ve never seen someone have to try so hard in one thread before.

 

Not anti-Irish mate, just anti-*

 

I pulled up the SPL as its the largest barometer, isn't it?

Every player did not step up for the goal, you are clearly showing now how little you understand for the game. Scales is the most progressive centre back we have on the ball. It's why he has the most passes per 90, its why he has the most carries per 90, it's why he has the most key passes per 90s, its why he has the most assists per 90, its why he has the most through balls per 90.

"Daft *"
"Twisting the truth"
"Definitely not the brightest"

It seems barbs are more the order of the day than discussing the issues and you've offered nothing of substance there. Maybe it's insecurity on your part I don't know.

You brought up most inaccurate passes there, one reason why Scales would have the most inaccurate passes is because he has the most passes attempted of all 3 CBS. Another reason why he would have the most inaccurate passes is because he is the most progressive passer. His short passing completion rate is 94%, Trusty is 95% and CCV 96%. Do you think that is a stark contrast. In terms of long passing, once again Scales attempted the most here, he is 55% in completion, behind Trusty at 66% but ahead of CCV at 54%. So I don't really get how that is damning.

I think the stats you provided may be flawed so I'd like to go over them. You never sourced them. I took mine from WhoScored, SPL stats solely for 24/25 and I can link you the page. Can you do the same?

 

Trusty does it too but he has only a 33% success rate to Scales 75% success rate. So Trusty * carrying the ball out of the defence twice the amount Scales does, despite Scales carrying it out of defence 33% more than Trusty attempts.

That's what's the stats say but I don't think you understand them well enough to make the distinctions.

I'm not trying very hard at all, I'm actually the only one substantiating my position with examples and statistics.

 

I'm staying out of the debate like most in here because I think the majority of us are somewhere in the middle.

That being said, and I cannot stress this enough, you are an absolute * gimp.

 

Thanks for the input and thanks for staying out of the debate.
Any by the way, insults are the scoundrels last refuge.

Like I care.

 

Aye, ok.

You're absolutely chronic.

 

No, the SPFL isn’t the largest barometer, the entire season combined is the largest and most fair barometer. I repeat my statement about you not being the brightest.

Mate, you’ve just proven my point for me about stats not being completely independent because you’ve had to back it up. I appreciate it. I’m glad we can bury that now. I already told you why he’s the one carrying the ball out and I’ve also told you that doesn’t mean he’s the best option for Celtic. He’s a weak link.

Nothing is “damning”, nobody “hates him”, there’s no agenda. He’s not good enough to play the role he is asked to play, it is as simple as that. Trusty is a better defender than him, there’s plenty of proof out there in match highlights.

I use FootyStats.org. For the entire 24/25 season. Go and look for yourself I’m not cross referencing things for your obsession.

 

Trust me.

You’re a walking contradiction but you’re too narrow minded to realise it.

 

So I'm no your bestus pal then.?

Look mate it is a public forum, you are going to get all shades of opinions on a Celtic forum, controversies, arguments, contradictions etc. But I tell you what. I have never in my puff gone on any Celtic forum and called someone an absolute diddy or even a Hun, just because I don't like their opinion. Opinions are like arseholes, we all have them. Why get upset about them ?

You will never learn if you only think the one way, or think you are right all the time, or don't respect other people's rights to hold a differing opinion or viewpoint.

That's the whole beauty of being on a Celtic forum, on any forum for that matter. To contribute, learn, have a good laugh or entertain.

 

I can't trust you. You can't substantiate anything, you can't debate anything on its merits. You just post inane stuff like that of zero substance or relevance.

 

It's the largest base, that's what you generally look at in data, the largest sample negates outliers and anomalies. Stats are independent though, they are objective. You views are subjective and you can't back them up - the only thing you can't attempt to do is paint the only objective and independent exhibits put forward as irrelevant.

You didn't tell me why he is carrying the ball out for Celtic. He does it because he is good at it. It is damning, it is an agenda and because the stats point that out and they are not subjective, but independent and objective, is why there is such a clamour for guys like, engaged in a campaign of propaganda to attack them. They undermine your subjective opinions.

Can you link me to where you got as I can't find those detailed stats on the website? I'd like to have a look at them. If you can substantiate it, you cant substantiate it.

 

Scales needs replacing

 

Sounds like deflection.

The entire season is a bigger base than the SPFL mate. It’s also a better barometer of a player because the competition is higher overall when the CL is included. If anything, all you’re doing is proving Scales is an SPFL level player, which we all knew before this conversation started.

I did tell you. Proving you don’t read anything you don’t want to. Remember about Scales being more comfortable on the ball and to have CCV covering is better than him being up the field? It doesn’t make Scales good at it, or the best option for Celtic. That’s the underlying issue you’re failing to understand.

Search the player on the site. It’s not rocket science. I’m not checking if any of your stats check out, because frankly I couldn’t give a * as they haven’t proven anything.

 

I meant to share this. All ten players are up the field. You called Scales “brave” for this. Collecting the ball in space and passing to KT in space. KT had a lot to do to even get a cross in.

You’re stat padding as much as he is. The debate equivalent of a pass back to Schmeichel.

 

Why are you here then?