Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Pretty much what I was meaning. I wouldn't categorise it as "for the sake of it" but that's splitting hairs now you've explained it.

There's always 2 sides to the story though and being intransigent has a cost that's seldom worth paying. Almost always where everything isn't in your control.

We don't know the details here and I did think Rodgers played his part in the first seasons window so really hope there is a breakthrough or it's going to be a long season if both sides can't find a way to work together.

None of the above means I don't think the money men don't share a good deal/majority of the blame.

 

I don't wholly agree with that as do think Rodgers wanted targets that weren't or couldn't be delivered. But we've been through that conversation before, I know you see it differently.

 

Who is identifying/deciding the signings? Is it a mix of Rodgers and the DoF/Board, or someone else? It feels like there no consistency or direction in building the squad since Rodgers came back.

 

Iv always said Rodgers is a bit option A or nothing. Sort of links up with the line given of "targets identified and not available"

Ofcourse not available means we're cheap * and won't pay the asking. Rodgers doesn't want the cheap B/C option. That's where the disconnect is.

 

As a support we need to back Rodgers as loud as we can this season.

Rodgers is not the issue here

Of course we can question and debate his eye for a player, specially a defender, but he's not the issue.

He's been successful every single season he has been here and every season been held back by the club as well.

He left the first time after the debacle of the McGinn summer (not just that transfer but many more).
Ange left after PL returned in power and saw the writing on the wall. First season with McKay he was free to do what he needed to do, then it all got curtailed and he looked to get out.

Deila was given his asst manager (heck deila was meant to be an assistant himself) and allowed the club to sign players for him, limited with what he could do by a board playing games.

Lennon left the first time citing no ambition from the club.

Even MON knew time was up and the purse strings were being tightened when this board first came in to play. Yea there was other reasons to MON leaving as well, but there was a few reasons, not just one.


Managers after managers, season after season. Board is to blame.

Back Rodgers as loud as we can! He isn't the issue in the big pitcure regardless of his own flaws, he isn't the man * us

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Sums up my feelings on the current fiasco too mate, the board are tying the manager hands and it's * infuriating. Back the guy ffs, he's given us some of the most successful times in our history and deserves so much better than being the only face fronting the club while the culprits hide in the boardroom.

 

See if they don’t trust Rodgers to identify the signings, sack him, see how that goes for them?

 

Where they dross though …ultimately they did t make it here but I think it’s more to do with who manager over whether a player was dross

Nawrocki from what I’ve seen he’s a good player better than scales but he ain’t Irish

Lagerbielke is in the Swedish national team dross don’t make it into a Swedish national side had a good season at twente in a tougher league

Bernardo had good season was bought cut price then got injured

Kwon was a big gamble still made money back

Yang still here showing signs looked like he was kicking on now back to square one I think it’s a culture thing with him because his performances hit a high when his girlfriend was in country

Nat Philips Rodgers target utter dross

Tillio. Man City connection floated back on loan right away dross


Holm started off well with glimpses then bombed out for no apparent reason

Palma started off well then bombed out never been able to break back In confidence shattered

The window wasn’t the best compared to ange first season but Ave seen worse like covid season ultimately a lot of the signings not working is down to the manager not having a hand in them …. Which ficks me off because we were all told rodgers said he had no problem with the board sanctioning ange targets …. So did Rodgers just tell the board what they wanted to hear knowing fine well he wasn’t gonna use the players bought I can believe that he’s got a track record of not telling g the truth


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Cmon now. Lagerbielke was pish. Slower than a week in the jail and wouldn’t have suited Ange’s system either.

Nawrocki would not have been a Scales replacement, and this is something that gets trotted out continuously, despite Nawrocki being a right sided centre half, and when he played, that was his position. Was he replacing CCV?

Kwon - Pish

Holm - Pish

Tilio - Pish

Yang - Pish

Palma - Not good enough

These players would have been dross whether it was Ange, Rodgers or Pep Guardiola in charge.

 

If they are that bad why are they moving for same money or in few cases more money than we paid


Answer this question rumor mill is Rodgers is ready to throw toys out the pram if we don’t get stelec over the line Bratislava want 12 million do you think he’s worth that …. He was utter * in the game against us didn’t do a thing


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Peter Lawwell was appointed CEO on the 25 September 2003. 4 days later MON made his "welcome to life in the slow lane" remarks.

4 * days!!! talk about making an instant impression.

 

Bad is a relative term but these type of players that cost between nothing and 3m are at a lower/mid level English championship price point. And we are signing them hoping that they can progress us in the champions league. Even our flagship signing in Idah was on loan from a higher end Championship team.

These guys dont stop becoming footballers, they just arent good enough to cut it at a level we want them to. When we sell them we often get money back after inflation because they are neither better nor worse than when they signed.

 

Where you getting this from?

 

I have never defended Lawwell but i doubted that he was that big of a problem, but it is pretty * clear these days that he is a Huge, Huge part of the problem at the club. Not for the board though. He makes them a shitload of money hence why he is here but for the ambition of the club he is most likely the biggest problem.

When he wasnt here we all of a sudden started spending and showed some unusual ambition but as soon as he got back in the shitshow started again.

 

Matt Oriley wasnt even playing lower end championship, he was in league 1 and he only cost £1.5m.

This obsession with needing to spend big money to get good players is wrong.

Maeda and Hatate are arguably our best 2 players both signed for under £2m are the lower ejd championship players? Are they not progressing us in Europe?

 

Think we all have to accept Brendan is detrimental to the way we do business … look at the list of players he’s barely given a chance elite manager but such a snob in football terms

We tried it his way with the 3 signings last season and he isn’t even playing two of them from the looks of it he is t playing Engels because he isn’t a goal scoring midfielder …. Why on earth buy him then especially when Oriley was


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I rate Engels and Trusty quite highly and i don't see a problem with having a 5 and a 11 million pound player on the bench. Ajax do, Feyenoord do, Basel do and Club Brugge do. Why should we not demand the same considering the huge amount of profit the club haul in?

Idah is a different story though as he is a terrible footballer which Engels and Trusty isnt.

 

We're missing to many attackers and goals up front currently. Once we add 2/3 attackers, engles will be back in as overall the team can afford that. Plus it won't be long until we get a penalty and he's about the only one who can hit them

 

Unless you believe there is no correlation between money paid for a player and how good they are likely to be then you just have to accept that spending less means a greater fail rate. Doesnt mean you cant find another ORiley, it just means you need to make significantly more signings to find one. In reality most teams do both - sign ready made talent for the first team with the odd prospect. We are too weighted the other way round.

Ultimately what is the objective of signing players for a club like celtic? Is it to bring in high volume cheap options to hopefully find a diamond in the rough. Or is it to better what we have on the pitch and be the best we can reasonably afford to be? With 75m quid in the bank Id argue its the later.

 

Trusty and engels are unlikely to accept being on the bench for too long though. They came here to be 1st choice. If they dont play they will look to move.

The problem with engels is highlighted by nygren. A player 20% of the price but keeping him out of the team now.

Trusty being kept out by a guy signed from loi for peanuts.

As a general rule, its true that spending more money will access higher quality players. But its skewed a lot by major financial disparities across the leagues. A 5mil player in sweden is probably a 10mil player in england for the same quality