Hayato Inamura

Good, Rodgers signings are absolute dog *! If it was left for Rodgers to pick a player out we’d be full of English prem rejects and bankrupt.

it’s early days but inamura looks like he could end up being a class find. As was Maeda before him, kyogo and Hatate.

We have brilliant scouts at the club. Some times transfers don’t work but usually it’s a low risk fee and we make a huge amount most times.

I’d trust our scouts over Rodgers.

 

100%. You know one pass that actually really impressed me more so than the repeated forward ones. He got the ball on the left at one point not far off their box, saw there was no options and within 1-2 seconds had picked out our cb through 2/3 opposition players with a solid quick pass stuck to the ground over quite a distance.

For a supposed CB that’s not an easy pass and we’ve seen first hand Welsh-lagerbielke-trusty-scales and sometimes even CCV can’t make these kind of passes. Early days but very promising which is more that can be said about other players we’ve seen

 

Also to add to your last few points. His contract is up at the end of this season. If we don’t have assurances he plans to extend then it would be complete incompetence if we weren’t to be scouting and buying players for the future without him involved.

club always needs to be bringing in low risk projects that are sourced via scouts and not the manager.

 

It is the manager but you have a literal team of Scouts and recruitment staff who will bring him players. It's £250k, he's inexperienced but with good loans and good coaching, we could either find ourselves a wee gem or we will make the club a tidy profit when he performs well on loan at other clubs.

 

I agree that Rodgers signing record isn't the best but you can't talk of Kyogo, Hatate, Maeda without mentioning Ideguchi, Iwata, Kobayashi, Oh, Kwon, Tillio, and Yang.

Our scouts really aren't that great either, there have been plenty of other guys signed who clearly didn't fit into the managers style, Palma and Lagerbielke being 2 obvious recent examples.

The bigger issue is the internal structure of the club, we have scouts signing players that the manager knows absolutely nothing about. Whether Inamura turns out to be a player or not that dynamic isn't right and as many have said for many years the whole structure needs overhauled

 

Yep in isolation he's a low risk/cheap signing but given our new head of recruitment is not long in the door and we've had ties to Asian market for a few years prior we can probably rule both him and Rodgers out so are we back to the days we're we have accountants acting as directors of football and just signing players off their own back? because the last time they did it didn't go to well.
It also raises serious concerns about the type of manager we are gonna go for next season. I for one aren't overly keen on another patsy like Delia or Lennon.

 

The Head of Recruitment and the manager will change but it's very unlikely that the scout from the Asia market would be replaced, given we've signed decent players from there and would likely make a significant profit on those players if we sold them all. Paul Tisdale isn't watching the players, the scouts are. Then there is a Head Scout who will converse with the individual scouts on who to put forward for certain positions and then Tisdale, Rodgers and Nicholson/McKay will then discuss all those options.

 

Yep, good performance. I switched the match on after kickoff and he immediately stood out a mile. Part of that will be his fitness levels like someone mentioned, but the other thing was his confidence: he didn’t look like some inexperienced kid who had just moved half way around the world and doesn’t even know the language. I even clocked him with his arms in the air remonstrating with teammates on a couple occasions lol.

 

We’ve wrote players off with less time on the pitch to be fair bud

 

Mind Kyogo after his 8 minute cameo appearance at Tynecastle after just getting off the plane the morning of.

Would have thought we had signed a new Scepovic after the nonsense in here.

 

-Ideguchi was * by injuries, shame for him because I think he’d have been okay.
-Iwata has proven at Birmingham there’s a player there and we lost no money on him so I’d say that was an okay signing.
-Kobayashi was low risk/low fee so no loss there.
-oh was a great signing just underused and also maybe just too early to join us. Feyenoord potentially signing for £10 mil so I’d say the scouting for oh was brilliant.
-kwon low fee/low risk and potentially will be sold for what we paid.
-Tilio seems to have suitors but I wonder if his signing was Ange or mark lawell due to the club links.
-Yang has actually been useful this year and we could definitely sell.
-palma started amazing so * knows what happened there….also seems to score for fun for Honduras.
-lagerbielke was voted best youngster in Sweden.

I think our scouting system is fine. Every signing can be argued as to what has been seen in them. Just when they arrive Rodgers has a different view on what’s needed.

I agree in some sense with your last point but actually, the club there are acting as all modern clubs are. Signing prospects or scouted players that should fit the club. The disconnect in this case is that Rodgers then doesn’t utilise these players correctly or even want to try.

Nawrocki is the perfect example of this… he’s looked good each appearance then is completely bombed out again by Rodgers.

think the issue is Rodgers is very old school in his management approach in the sense he wants full control. Whereas now football has moved on from that…

 

And in footballing terms financially now 250k is like buying a car for 3p. We could probably sell our shitest player at the club and still get 250k for them as a starting fee. We’ll never lose money on that outlay unless we allow them to run down their contracts

 

Would argue that none of the players listed msce any real impact here so find it hard to give them positives but I get where you are coming from.

Again on paper there's nothing wrong with Inamura signing if that's the business model, sign cheap, low risk players, loan out/develop then move them on that's all good but someone is clearly overseeing that project. I'm just struggling to see who it is.

Is this part of Maloney's remit?

If so great but tell us that them bcoz someone at the club is signing off on these deals and it's definitely not the manager

 

Maloney is the player pathway manager so yes, I think it’s fair to assume he is the man responsible for the development of players outwith the first team squad.

 

I'm happy to read that he's been given a chance and apparently did well. The use at LB makes sense, as he could replicate what Taylor did well.

 

Why's his thread title read like a social media handle?

 

For anyone who, like me, couldn't watch the Cork City match:

 

Another disconnect is that I think when people argue that our scouting is bad, the issue is more that the level of player we are scouting are often a couple of levels below where the support want to be targeting. You make a fair argument for all of those players and if a competent Hearts or Aberdeen were bringing in these guys they would probably get pass marks. Their scouts would be seen to be doing a good job.

But we should be scouting to improve in Europe, and we have 70m in the bank. The disconnect is our expectations of our scouting being at a 'champions league' level, and our scouts have clearly been told to look for cheap options that are more likely to fail but we may find the odd gem. That may also be the case between Rodgers and the club.