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Sporting ambition versus Cash in the bank?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by henriks tongue, Jul 6, 2025 at 3:26 PM.

Discuss Sporting ambition versus Cash in the bank? in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Officer Doofy Come to me, human man Gold Member

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    For anything.

    For every Hatate, there’s a Holm and Kwon. For every Kuhn there’s a Tilio and Yang etc.

    Even guys like Taylor. Aye he’s fine domestically (for the most part) but a massive weak link in Europe.

    We need to be signing players with the idea that they can improve us in Europe. Not just against Killie, Hearts and Dundee United.

    I couldn’t care less if the players aren’t at the club long. That means they’ve done well for us and been sold on. Great. But I don’t buy for a second that a hit rate better than 1 in 4, or even 1 in 3, isn’t realistic.

    Let’s be honest. There’s not a chance people at the club expected players like Tilio, Kwon and Holm to smash it for us. They were signed out of hope as opposed to expectation. That mindset has to go.
     
  2. Dianbobo Balde

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    Is this not what we are trying though? Lagerbielke, Nawrocki, Yang, Engles, Idah, Kuhn etc all fall into that category

    Some work, some dont
     
  3. celtic warrior

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    I'm inclined to agree. Even relative to finances in Scotland. There is no reason we can't have an elite global scouting system that can unearth gems on a regular basis.

    How, after the recent and historic successes of ex celts. Our club from the top can't see the benefit of going balls deep in scouting network to get those gems that can convert to £20mill plus sales more frequently for us is insane. There doesn't really seem to be much rhymes or reason to our scouting generally.

    Although I will caveat that with, I feel like this early window is maybe a small sign in that shift and think that signings made so far, even though unusual with likes of Hayato Inamura. Does seem more considered and thought out.
     
  4. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    None of those players had really shown even a couple seasons of good form like Nygren has.

    It's more about targeting a better level of prospect. Engels and Kuhn fall into that category for me. We will make a profit on Engels easy and have already made one with Kuhn. They were playing at a decent level and had been highly rated from a young age.

    Lagerbielke and Nawrocki maybe. But we signed both after what was largely a season of form and ultimately the scouting with the former was all wrong as his attributes didn't fit us at all. So I wouldn't say that's a great example. Yang was a complete punt tbh at a cheap price from outside of a European league. Always going to be more risky.

    Idah we have had our pants pulled down price wise with. I'd much rather have taken that money and got a young striker from the continent. But he had a decent full debut season, numbers wise.

    I just feel like we all too often seem to look in the wrong area when there's a multitude of talent out there within our grasp.
     
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  5. Martybhoy53

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    Our club is run by parsimonious dinosaurs who can all peel an orange in their back pocket with a boxing glove on. No ambition or modern day thinking. It’s all about the the bank sheet and fleecing the support.
     
  6. henriks tongue

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    Agree there are 'no guarantees' on signings, it's down to quality recruitment and scouting.

    However if you are willing to spend more and equally important, move quickly and decisively (no multi window monitoring or micro haggling) and do a great job selling the club - the chances of signing success and subsequently selling for a big fee increase massively.
    This gives better chance of sporting success and so the upward cycle continues.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't seek out bargains, like MoR and Kuhn - but it needs to be better balanced.

    As mentioned by others - identifying players, we actually seem to be decent at.
    But then the higher value players, we usually lose out on because we wait and wait for a bargain price then when it inevitably goes up because others are interested, we back out - and we could have signed them earlier for what is now, a bargain price.
    It's a totally false economy.

    I think overall, if we cut out the 'monitoring' bullshit and unnecessary micro haggling, waiting for sales before buying and then also acting decisively when we do identify a player - we would be in much, much better shape.
    Easy to say, harder to do with the dinosaur blazers we have at our club.
     
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  7. Dianbobo Balde

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    I dont disagree we are signing more in hope than expectation but I think its underestimated how difficult it is for us to go out and recruit players than can immediately step up and compete in the Champions League. We cant buy proven Champions League players anymore. Theres always an element of hoping the player can make the step up.
     
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