Adam Idah

None of what you say in bold is verifiable.

 

This. It’s a ridiculous attempt at a ‘gotcha’.

£9m was beyond farcical at the time and looks even worse now. We signed Kyogo for half the price and he was more than twice the player.

Recruitment, eh…

 

He's also 24. While not normally a player's peak, they usually aren't raw at that point either. For £9 million I think it's fair for people to expect a bit more than being a "moments" player spread across 65 games to justify the outlay. I wouldn't sell, but I think next season is critical for him to convince the support.

 

The Adam Idah of last season combined with his potential was a player I didn't mind paying £9m for.

This season he has started to drop far too deep and moved away from the things that made him such a danger last season.

He needs to get back to basics and that requires Rodgers and his staff to utilise his talents. He's not a hold up striker despite his size. When he stays further forward, attacks the box and keeps it simple then he is at his best.

The problem he is finding and Kyogo was increasingly finding is that our set up basically means the striker barely touches the ball until the very last touch of a move and when you are low on confidence & desperate for a goal like Idah is you start to go wandering in to areas that are further and further away from the goal. It's a vicious cycle and he needs some help & direction from the management team.

 

Great post and right that Kyogo and Idah aren't actually all that different.

I'd add the midfield are also a big part of the issue, when they move the ball quickly, inherently spaces and movement is easier and chances increase.
Tippy tappy, slow, 1000 pass Celtic and all our front players can struggle.

 

Would argue his best games ... Kilmarnock last season and Aston Villa, were because he did use his physicality to hold the ball up and get in about opposition defenders.

 

Doesn't mean he's Celtic class....

I didnt want him in or back this season...But i got behind the decision and supported every Celtic Player.

Overall.....He is * gash regardless of the 4 goals he has scored to get us into this Competition.

Even last weekend he was the ONLY player that sucked balls....and that a feat in its own considering Hatate and Khun were on the Park.

Yes the money he made has made us getting in has paid towards him.....But its also looking like 9 million of utter *....Norwich saw us coming held on because we are became * hour in not looking for other strikers at that moment.

Falling out a taxi * up and puking this week in particular is shocking imo.

If he scores the winner on Sunday he may get away with it....If he plays * then i think hes finished here.

 

It's a complete nonsense argument to say take the goal X player scored in X game and we don't win the league, you don't just remove someone's contribution and play a man down, if we didn't sign Idah we'd have signed someone else, they might have scored less, they might have scored more and we win more comfortably, it's impossible to say. Palma scored goals that won us points when he first arrived, take those away we might not win the league either, does that mean he's good enough going forward?

Idah's been here nearly a year and a half now and outside a handful of games he just doesn't look like he's got it in him to step up imo, Kyogo was missing sitters left and right but still it never really looked like he was going to push him and take his starting place, and when Kyogo left he had clear run to make it his and couldn't.

People bringing up his fee aren't worrying about how much money we've made back to cover it to balance the books, it's week in week out does he actually look like a £9m player, or showing potential signs he's going to develop into something much better. Saying it doesn't matter because he's already 'paid it back' is missing the forrest for the trees.

 

No, just perception but not said in hindsight. I think there was a general consensus at the time that we could have concluded the deal earlier, we should have had a few other players we were genuinely linked to, and both of those things would have strengthened our hand when haggling for Idah. I thought it was a panic signing at the time in absence of a proper recruitment strategy. I thought we grossly overpaid for a decent SPFL level striker. I've not changed my mind.

I honestly thought that just by virtue of playing up front for celtic he'd manage more goals, or just more involvement, than he has. I wasn't expecting much but I'm still disappointed.

 

What's Celtic Class any way ? Engels,Trusty, Kuhn ?

I think the days of Celtic class started and ended with the Lisbon Lions, we don't do Celtic class anymore.

Who cooked up this bullshit story about Idah, some Ranger's supporting taxi driver ?

As I have said before, Idah has more than paid back his £9M fee long time ago, and we have more important issues to focus on like the Midfield next year.

We are on course for a Treble, be happy, and stop nit picking please

 

Fair post, but if he isn't a hold up player despite his size, he cant run the lines like Kyogo could, and he can't track back, dribble past a player when deep, or poach as good as Maeda, what talents are Rodgers and team looking to utilise? I feel like we are desperate to cater for him given his price tag but if I think if he was a 20 year old academy player we'd all be unanimous in demanding we spend proper money to replace him.

I hate being so harsh on a celtic player but I don't think he offers as much as a whole raft of decent SPFL strikers. I see highlights of Dalby, Murray, Boyle, Olysanya, even Dessers, every week and I see nothing from Idah to suggest he's better than any of these guys.

 

Aye, it's spending the money correctly

We all saw this coming, we all knew we was over paying. We all knew we showed our hand too much bragging about money in the bank and making idah our main/only striker target.
Norwich took advantage, we all know this.

It's one thing to spend the £9m, it's another spending it on clearly the wrong player.

He's a £4m at best.
Always was.


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I’ve been disappointed in recent weeks with Idah even though he had an ok first half of the season. However, like @Maestro 08 points out some of the issue is due to the system we play and I’ve been saying that since the middle of winter. Our strikers don’t get many chances created for them.

Maybe we could’ve done the deal earlier, if we had met their asking price earlier. Celtic aren’t the only part of the negotiations. They refused to do a future fee when he came in on loan and they refused to lower the asking price. Idah was the player Rodgers wanted so we paid the money, which doesn’t say “panic buy” to me. He’s still contributed at important times this season despite not being at his best. He’s shown he can score against good quality opposition multiple times and it’s Rodgers’ job to bring out the best in him.

There’s zero chance we didn’t have alternative signings, evidenced by other players we’re known to have tracked over the same time period.

 

Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers has revealed that he has spoken to Adam Idah after a video of the Irish international striker surfaced on social media this week.


Rodgers admits that it was a damning indictment of the modern technological era that Idah couldn't enjoy a night out on a social basis without being filmed on somebody's mobile phone.

The £8.5 million summer capture from Norwich City has bagged 14 goals and has one assist to his name this season.

Rodgers admitted that he felt sad for his compatriot and labelled him 'a great young professional' and that he has no qualms about his mentality moving forward.

When asked if he was aware of the video, Rodgers admitted he was but hadn't seen any of the footage.

However, he insists that it is a cautionary tale for any young footballer that they have to be guarded at all times, as he threw a protective arm around his striker


The 52-year-old said: "Yes, I haven't seen anything, of course. Adam rang me yesterday to take me through everything that happened. I spoke to him again this morning.

"There's a sadness to it. He knows where I am in terms of, and the group knows where I'm at in terms of focus and mentality. This was on a day off.


I think the sad thing for me is that a 24-year-old football player, who in his spare time can't let his hair down without someone trying to film him. I think this is the challenge now for people in general, but in particular, if you're a young football player, you see it.

"I got the full story from him. I don't have any doubt he's a great young professional. Adam does absolutely everything to be the best player he can be. The nutritionist outside of the club does his extra work.

"So I have absolutely no doubts about that. It's just a shame that these things get pieced together and make it look a lot worse than what it is. People will see it, as I haven't seen it, but I've heard some of the guys mention it. Yes, he has to live with that. I've got no doubts about his mentality.

"He's had an evening off on Wednesday. We were off Thursday, and we've got plenty of time before the game Sunday. So yes, I'm with Adam on that.

"I think in modern society, and especially these young guys, they have to be guarded.

"Sadly, it's the way of the world. People who will maybe go to sign an autograph or do a video, and then some clown comes in and says something else in the video. Then people wonder, why will players not do a video? Why won't they sign? Why do they drive past? It's because you try to expose them.

"So why do they take the risk then? Well, they just drive past, or they just don't bother. Which is a sad thing because kids want their things signed and whatever else.

"It's where we are. We just have to live with that and whatever was put out there, of course, people will have their own narrative to the story.

"I got it from him. He was honest enough to ring me yesterday and we spoke, which was great, and then I had a good chat this morning.

"He's fine, and he trained really well. So he'll be ready for the weekend.

 

Maeda has had plenty chances playing as a striker. He is taking them and in general gives us more than Idah. Kyogo got chances in the first half of the season too, but his finishing was miles off what it needed to be. Idah isn’t doing enough to get himself chances, that’s the big difference between him and Maeda just now.

 

I do think there is a mentality issue with him, when he applies himself he is good but he seems to lack the hunger and passion to show he is the best, there is too much Billy big baws about him, it needs someone to get him focused and back on track. Hopefully there is someone out there that is stupid enough to pay big bucks and get him off our hands.

 

To me the back to basics part is the big thing with him, he showed against Villa that he can be a big presence up top, with strength and pace and an eye to get in the right place at the right time.

However, too often at times in our bread and butter games he just seems all over the place or his touch is horrible and he can’t get the basics right or he is out on the wing and takes an age to decide what to do with the ball.

He reminds me of Samaras in some ways, where he has all the tools to be a good striker, tall, quick can finish, inside and around the box, win aerial duels and score with his head bully defenders; run them but it happens to few and far between. Samaras too had a great catalogue of big game moments combined was some really below par performances.

 

Yep well aware of Maeda, who is having the best season of his career and his work rate and pace will see him get chances even in a system that doesn’t suit it. But what I said is still true regarding the lack of chances created for our strikers, especially since the winter break. There was a run of games over winter where the player who started as a striker didn’t score for us, and I can’t remember the amount from memory but the chances created for them was low. I’m not suggesting this absolves Idah from poor performances, it doesn’t. I want to see more from him, but I also think it’s a fair comment that our set up isn’t currently helping.

 

This argument that he played well in a couple of games proves he is that good is just complete nonsense. Consistency, and having that ability and class constantly available to you is what makes a top player. Being truly in control of your talent and knowing you can use to every time you step on to the pitch. Ambrose looked like Iniesta in that game he played DM and that vid of his whole performance that day done the rounds....Doesn't mean that was his level he just had a dream/freak day where everything came off. I remember days like that in my own playing days even at an amatuer level. Declan Rice scoring two free kicks against Madrid doesn't make him.a better free kick taker than Nakamura. It's consistency that proves that's your baseline capabilities and not just a wonder day. Any professional player can cherry pick performances throughout their career when they played far beyond their usual capabilities . You judge a player on a far larger sample size to determine how good guy are, and see what the typically produce on a regular basis and what you can expect them to produce regularly moving forward. Saying his poor contribution must be confidence or mentality based because of what he done a year ago in one game away at Killie is a total fallacy.

 

We are 2 goals short from scoring an average of 3 per game in the league. Our setup is fine. Maeda is playing the best football he ever has, so to say the system doesn’t suit him, I’m not really sure what you can be basing that on. It absolutely seems to be suiting him. Kyogo was getting chances too in the system, he wasn’t taking them. Maeda is getting them and is. Idah isn't getting them. It points towards Idah not showing enough, which he hasn’t all season barring a few games in all honesty, and as I’ve said on him, I’m not writing him off and I was desperate to see him step up after Kyogo left.

Had a look back at the games over winter. Idah started most of them. Again, this says more about him than it does our system in my opinion.