Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Now i know how Sevco feel after getting beaten at home by Queens Park.

 

He needs to change his approach and fast, next season they will be better once the takeover goes through and get their house in order, We cannot take it for granted that the teams who have beaten them this season will do it all again next season, it will be a lot tighter and if We keep being complacent in the games against them they will have the upper hand and could win the league, big summer rebuild needed but not sure BR is the right person to do it.

 

Where did I say you?

 

For me its his hesitancy to make subs when needed everyone could tell Johnstone was having a horrid game yesterday, the only player who didn't improve in the 2nd half, and we had a fit Ralston on the Bench ready to go, AJ goes on to give up the 3rd goal and misses 2 sitters in their box, played the full game

 

Johnston has deserved a rest on several occasions this season and dropped after a couple of poor performances. Rodgers just won't drop him even though Ralston has shown up well when he's played and never really had the sort of howlers Johnston has had on occasion. Think that's on Rodgers.

 

I think complacency played a big part in the game tbh, we looked like a side who had turned up thinking that * were there to make up the numbers and we’d just steamroll over the top of them. It’s total arrogance to just ignore the last 2 games against them where they’ve played the exact same way albeit a tweak in formation and just expect things to be different. They’re a decent enough side against teams who will play in a way that’ll suit them and we aren’t good enough that we’ll just leather them regardless. We need to change the set up against them in the last game otherwise it’ll be more of the same and if we lose 3/4 games to them regardless of winning the league then that is completely unacceptable.

He can’t really legislate for 4 of the back 5 all having their worst game in a Celtic shirt but he takes full responsibility for the way we set up right into their hands again.

 

The wake up call was the cup final, which we needed penalties to win.

He hit the snooze button.

The alarm bells were ringing after Ibrox where we got rinsed 3-0, he said they "stole" it. Went back to sleep.

Now Sundays disaster, on our own patch, in front of 55 odd thousand of our own fans. Hes been tactically out thought by a Belgian turnip without an earthly clue about scottish football, or football in general, and now a * NED in his court suit leading a sports scene panel.

Theyve scored NINE goals against us in 3 games. NINE. With less than 40% possession for them over the games.

You say its just "were not as far ahead as we think". I say given our level of finances, structure, and how we supposedly have "an elite manager" WE * SHOULD BE. Its unacceptable for any Celtic manager to be so tactically foolish against our biggest rivals, dead club or not.

We should be light years ahead of that trash. Instead we find ourselves looking at results that tell an absolute reversal in terms of goals and performance.

Let me preface by saying he shouldn't be sacked. Thats too much. But he needs to move on at the end of the season.

For some of us the writing is on the wall. This is the beginning of the typical Brendan Rodgers slide. Where hes been tactically found out after a season and a half, and the players under his charge all start to fall off a cliff in terms of confidence. Hes a two season manager, everywhere hes been.

Sevco will get an injection of stability next year. We cant rely on other sides to win the league for us. Theyll be back to mopping up the other teams below them in the league with the odd bad result, like ourselves, with the league decided by head to heads. With those results, and with the next one being played at ipox, we lose the league. Go ahead, say thats nonsense. Say theyre too far behind.

The 13 points you speak off were not won by ourselves, 10 of those were won by other sides in the league. That wont happen next year.

So no, im sorry. Its not spoiled. Its not ruined by success. Its just people being genuinely worried about where this could head if something doesnt shift in Rodgers' head, or we dont make a change at the end of the season.

 

Rodgers is so close to being a world class manager but his biggest reason he’s not ever managed to get to that level, is his ego.

And his ego is in full play against them, 3 games now we’ve seen they have our system sussed and know how to stop it. We won the cup final, and a big part was Rodgers changing Trusty for Scales, and trusting the system. And that’s how he approaches changing the game, by personnel rather than adapting from his system. And yes, he should be backing his system with how well it’s working but it shouldn’t be the only way.

We went to Ibrox, he said them stopping our play can happen in they one off games like a cup final. And watched them absolutely stymying what we do and horse us 3-0.

Then last week, he grudgingly admits, that game ‘they stole our game’. He’s aware of what they’re doing, how they get a result, how they force us to play.

And yesterday, being fully aware of it, sat the full game unwilling to change that game that they can ‘steal’ us playing. Not wanting to admit it’s been countered, wants that game that he’s backed so much and is proud of to outplay them.

And that’s ego. I would have started the same system yesterday, no issue there, but it was obvious from kick off that it’s not working. Literally from the kick off 1st half. He’s fully aware of it, said as much, and for 90 minutes he didn’t do anything. And being too arrogant to adapt to a back up plan, when he knows what they’ve done the last two games, and beat him tactically, thats poor, that’s ego.

That’s stupid

 

He's obviously a top coach and we're on for a treble, so any criticism has to be with how successful he is in mind.

However, the last 3 games v them showed a real lack of fight from our team.. and that lack if intensity is on him.

Does he still have that desire or does he take domestic dominance for granted?

And if he's likely to walk and the end of next season will the board back him to the hilt this summer? That's the fear..

A treble this season will be an amazing achievement and we should celebrate it as there's certainly a few challenges ahead in more ways than one.

 

the biggest hatred I have for him is his ego. He has given me some great memories as a Celtic fan but he needs knocking down a peg or two. The * sarcastic comments before games needs to stop for me. We laughed at them for years for doing it and we are falling into that same pit. The treble isn't in the bag yet either. He needs to get it right next time against them otherwise it could turn toxic if we put another performance like we have the previous 3 times against them

 

His ego should be massively dented after Sunday’s performance and result.

A bunch of TV and radio pundits, who were sacked from their last roles years ago, rocked up to our stadium and tactically out thought us and had their players more up for it.

Surely to * Rodgers is raging with himself and the team.

There has to be a HUGE reaction to this. If we don’t treat this as a wake up call then we will sleepwalk into a potential disaster next season.

The weaknesses in our style of play and squad are there for everyone to see.

If Rodgers is bored then that’s about to change because the competition will get stronger. We need to plan for them being stronger - it’s the only way we will evolve.

If he’s not up for that and the club don’t want to back him unless he signs an extension then we need to make a decision for the greater good at the end of the season. We can’t go into next season half hearted with a manager running down his contract and a board who are withholding investment due to that.

 

you replied on my post and it sounded like I was one of them. Hence the question.

 

I don’t disagree with needing to improve performances against them as the last two losses have been unacceptable. The “it doesn’t count because the 13 points they dropped were against other teams” logic is mad though - we’re 13 points clear because we’ve consistently been the better team across the entire season. Rodgers deserves as much credit for that as he does criticism for a loss.

As for being spoiled, you throw a tantrum and routinely claim that we’re “done” in any game we struggle in, and as much as you claim you don’t want the manager’s head you’ve been on here multiple times recently calling for it. Or as you claim to put it “I didn’t say I wanted him sacked, I want him gone”.

You’re among the worst culprits for it and no amount of trying to rationalise your way out of it with your Daily Record style sprawling diatribe will change that.

 

Get rodgers hunted. * us over. Only got gig cause no epl team came calling. As an irishman we demand loyalty. Rodgers ego is his biggest fault. He can go anytime and i wont shed one * tear unlike when henrik left. I was inconsolable .HH

 

Rodgers won’t be sacked, he may opt to move on if something comes up but he won’t be relieved of his duties. For me it comes down to his desire to succeed next season, if he is just sticking around to see out the 3 years he spoke of when taking the job he can go for me with a thanks for hopefully another 5 trophies and a cracking European run this year.

There is a bit of me that could see that he feels he has hit that glass ceiling where he can take us and does decide this.

My biggest fear is the Board, CEO and manager act in a sleepy conservative manner this summer and let them back in to it next year. Regardless of investment or otherwise they should be worried about the summer given the state of their squad and work they have to do. However, we managed to let that basket case beat us and improve their mood.

I actually think the Ibrox game and remaining Scottish cup games has a big baring on how we go into next season.

Win the three and the positivity will be back, we will have work to do on the squad as it is threadbare. However, do the unthinkable and lose to them again then despite them winning nothing we will go into the summer on the back foot.

We always say it but again getting business done properly and timely will be paramount, if we are scrambling about again at the end of the window having lost a couple of players prior to CL qualifiers, then I fear it will be a drag of a season.

 

Brilliant post.HH

 

I'm surprised the result has so many panicking. At 2-2, the game could've really went either way and it was Johnston's error that led to their winning goal.

 

Carter-Vickers was more to blame in my opinion. He gets caught under the ball. Johnston expects him to win and rightly so to be honest. Johnston was then weak but Carter-Vickers was just as culpable. Both were absolutely woeful all game.