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The decision was out of McLean's hands in this case. He originally gave the goal, he would have been told by Muir not to give it. But if that audio is correct, then Muir has cheated as Probably out isn't sure, and if that's the case then the on field decision has to stand.

 

Alan Muir should be sacked.

 

A dirty hun *

 

The Scottish FA have shared the audio from the contentious disallowed goal involving Daizen Maeda that occurred during a Scottish Premiership clash between Hibernian and Celtic last month.


The on-field referee Steven McLean awarded Celtic a goal, however Alan Muir on VAR intervened and insisted that it should be ruled out. He claimed the ball had went out of play before Alistair Johnston delivered the assist for Maeda.

Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers later hit out at the decision, claiming Muir - who has yet to be allocated an officiating role since - "guessed" the outcome.

The below images display the dialogue between the VAR and his assistant as they went through several camera angles before opting to chalk the goal off.


Now, SFA head of referees Willie Collum has moved to clarify the thinking on the latest edition of The VAR Review, revealing that McLean's original verdict should've been backed by VAR since there wasn't 100 per cent conclusive evidence to prove otherwise


Addressing the decision and whether VAR should've even been involved in the process, Collum said: "Let's think what the starting point is? The starting point is the on-field decision. The on-field decision is the assistant referee keeps the flag down and a goal is scored.


So, as far as the assistant referee is concerned, the ball has not gone out of play.

"The VAR and AVAR of course go into a check, which they are expected to do so. They need to assess with the cameras and the footage available if the ball is out of play.

"You hear the VAR at one point say that it looks like it's gone out of play from a particular angle, and then AVAR correctly says 'I don't think you can be conclusive there'.

"Then an angle appears from the main camera and you hear a reaction, the VAR and AVAR both think at that point that's evidence to say the ball is out of play.

"However, what I want to be very clear about, and we coach the VAR's and AVAR's to be certain about this, you need 100 per cent conclusive evidence to disallow the goal here and prove that the ball is over the goal line.

"And in this case, that is not possible. It's not possible to prove categorically that the ball has crossed the goal line fully, because we know from previous examples at World Cup's that a ball can look out from certain angles, but then when you look at the camera above - because in World Cup competitions there's the spider cam and a clear camera on the goal line. A slight part, even a millimetre of the ball can be overhanging that goal line, and that's enough to say that the ball is in play.

"So, in this occasion for us, we expect the on-field decision to be supported and a goal awarded.

"I would also say, if the assistant referee had flagged here and said in his opinion that the ball had crossed the line and it was a goal kick then we would also expect that decision to be supported because there's no 100 per cent conclusive evidence.

"It's impossible to prove otherwise."

On Rodgers' comments and whether goal line technology could've been of benefit in such scenario, Collum stated: "There's two points there to cover. Firstly, goal line technology would only alert on the watch and through the comms system if the ball enters the goal. It doesn't do anything when it goes outside of the goal mouth.

"And the other aspect about guessing, well you hear the audio yourself, both the VAR and the AVAR believe that image, zoomed in from the main camera, proves the ball is out of play to them.

"For us, that is not the case."

 

We all know that mate

 

I wonder if the suits that run the Club will be as quick to release a statement on this as they are when it comes to banners and having a go at their own supporters…

 

1 for, 1 against...ce la vie

 

A dirty rotten hun *. You can hear it clear as day here..

I don't know who the other guy on VAR was but you can see he's no comfortable with Muir choking for it to be out from the get go. He disagrees everytime until Muir keeps at him..

This is an open and shut case for me anyway. He has called it a 'factual offside' and completely guessed what he wanted to. That should be enough for him to get his jotters..

Incompetent as hes shown for years and also a cheat, which he's also shown for years. Funny how he couldn't spot a handball on the line right infront of him but can call a ball going out from the worst camera angles going..

Rat..

 

* done everything he could to make sure he pressured the guy into agreeing...sack that cheating *.

 

Our board should be requesting that this hun mutant is not involved in any capacity in future Celtic matches.


VAR audio in full
VAR: APP Good.
AVAR: Potential offside, potential ball out of play.
VAR: Ball out of play.
What's the onfield for a decision?
Ref: Goal.
VAR: OK checking onfield decision of goal. Slow this down.
Ref: They will check it. OK?
VAR: What do you think of it there Cloudy?
AVAR: I can't definitively… any other angles?
VAR: The ball looks out of play.

VAR: We're not going to get it from there. That looks out of play there, would you agree?
AVAR: No It's conclusive mate, honestly I don't think it's conclusive.
VAR: I know
AVAR: I don't think you can conclusively say that's out
VAR: Have you got behind the goal there?
Ref: Guys what's happening?
VAR: We're just checking the ball out of play.

VAR: That's not conclusive there either.
AVAR: I don't think you'll get a conclusive angle, mate.
VAR: Oh, that's a good angle there. Would you agree that's out of play there? There, one, there, One more, one Another one there. There, would you say that's more conclusive? Factual overturn, would you agree?
AVAR: Yeah
VAR: Happy with that? Steven it's Alan. I'm going to give you a factual review here. Overturn, the ball is out of play And I want you to award a goal kick To Hibernian As the ball had just crossed the goal line.

 

Missing out the fact he was given a decent view that showed it in and he quickly fobbed it off to go back to the view from further back he’s a cheat and should be punished ….. if they do t reprimand him for it someone else certainly will that’s the stage it’s gonna get to


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I really want a club statement saying they do t want that bitter * anywhere near our games it’s gone on long enough with him get him out


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This * needs called out by the club now.

That audio is * horrific how he pressures the assistant in to that, defeated him down to eventually saying "yeah".

He was told, multiple times it wasn't conclusive, but he just blasted through everything til he saw something he could steamroll with, even though he himself would know, there was never any way to conclusively prove that.

He's an utter * of a ref and shouldn't be near any game of football for how he acts.

When Kris * boyd inadvertently picks up on numerous * ups this guy makes, then realises it's all against Celtic, that tells you enough that the bias is there.
Then this audio just confirms it.

Club has to call him out and demand that his competence and integrity is firmly questioned and answered.

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Dirty Hun * Muir. But we have all known that for years.
He must be sacked by Collum and made an example of.

 

Yep, Muir made his mind up straight away then worked on bending the AVAR's will to his way.

 

Desperate to call that out...desperate .

He should be sacked for that.

 

Surely by * our board will get up from their seats at the back of the bus and actually stick up for our club and get that cheating orange * banned

 

* all will happen other than maybe a refresher in VAR training. Seen this kinda * too many times