Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

Don't attempt to put words in my mouth. I said nothing about how much sympathy a person deserves. My point is that your analogy of him being as much of a hero as every other soldier was inaccurate.

A gentlemen doesn't murder innocent people. It's indefensible regardless of which 'side' a person is on.

 

In 1998, McFarlane was first charged in the Republic of Ireland with Tidey's kidnapping, but he challenged this on the basis that Gardaí had lost a number of exhibits containing fingerprints – the central evidence in the case. The Irish Supreme Court ruled in March 2006 that the trial could proceed.[15]

The Gardaí based the Tidey charges on items recovered from the kidnap site, including a milk carton and a plastic container, on which fingerprints were discovered. Although the items went missing from Garda headquarters during renovation work, the fingerprints had been photographed and a forensic analysis done.[16]

McFarlane was due to stand trial on 3 October 2006. However his legal team launched a second judicial review in May 2006, on the grounds that McFarlane could not get a fair trial due to "systematic delays in bringing the prosecution".[17] This held up his trial until the Irish High Court ruled on the issue on 8 December 2006. However, McFarlane's representatives appealed this decision in turn. Their appeal was finally dismissed on 6 March 2008,

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Clearly cut and dried right when they were still trying to frame him decades later

 

That's what you said though. Soldiers don't pull the trigger

A nonsense argument when you enlist to fight.

 

That was the Rebuplic as well FFS.

 

'The terrorist or the dreamer, the savage or the brave. Depends whose vote you're trying to catch, whose face you're trying to save'.

Year upon year of witnessing, first hand, untold atrocities, sectarian brutality against your own people in your own city. Finally deciding to drop your academic studies, join the struggle and take the game to the loyalist groups intent on wiping out your people.

Easy for folk to sit in their housecoat and slippers, pontificating on the morality of the measures these people were forced to take in the most extreme conditions. Thatcher would be proud @Callum McGregor

 

Defending or excusing a murderer isn't a good look, no matter how you try to spin it.

There is no context in which murdering innocent people is acceptable.

 

No it wasn't.

They enlist to potentially fight if needed, and under the Geneva convention should only do so at legitimate targets, not at civilians. The majority of soldiers around the world will never fire at another human, which is why your analogy was nonsense. If you can't understand that then I can't help you further.

 

Do you then think the whole ethos of the IRA was to kill innocents? You appear to be trying to draw a distinction whereas the actions of one failed mission should taint the whole organisation.

In that case the British Army have, well, not even a toenail to stand on.

You said every soldier doesn't enlist to kill.

Do you think every Irish volunteer did?

 

This is a loaded question and a pretty silly one tbh. Of course I don't think that.

Nope. That's not what's happening at all and I cannot fathom where you've gotten that idea from. My initial point was that the banner was unnecessary and ill advised, and that McFarlane isn't someone who should be glorified.

Agreed.

Of course not.

 

Do you judge everyone then who might have used extreme methods to achieve a goal?

Mandela for example, was the UEFA wide tribute right or wrong?

 

I look at everything on a case by case basis.

 

Do you think Mandela was any more or less principled than someone like Bik?

 

What's that got to do with the banner?

 

Nothing at all mate

 

"It wound up the right sorts" is something I see on twitter quite a lot. Nothing more than that. Just part of the circus.

Equally easy to go to a game of football, get it up the huns, do the fake rebel shtick, and go home. You don't need to look a son or daughter in the eyes and explain why you're celebrating a guy who killed their parent or grand parent in cold blood because they happened to be a protestant. Don't need to put up with any sectarian fallout. As I say, just a dark circus act.

 

If you think that was anything other than a sincere paying of respect then you couldn't be more wrong.

Sick of this plastic paddy *, like Celtic fans don't know their history.

 

Infighting over stuff like this just plays into the hands of those that despise us. Do you think huns in the terrances or media make any distinction between IRA members on the basis of their motives or methods? Of course not.