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Footballing Structure - Updates?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Mr Shelby, Feb 24, 2025 at 6:01 PM.

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  1. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Couldn't find an existing thread if there is one I can perhaps merge!

    But aye, just been thinking about the behind the scenes situation. All the chat about the Huns etc and issues they have behind the scenes, wanting a sporting director or whatever you want to call it.

    Do people think we will see us appoint a DoF or similar in the near future? It appears to have gone quiet on that front again. Or is Tisdale currently looking at that as part of his role? I seem to recall he was initially being brought in to act almost as a 'consultant' but would be good to clarify that again.

    Personally I hope there's a bit more of an update come the summer. I still have concerns about this side of things and naturally as we have seen in the past, the uproar/chatter on here and from us as a fanbase goes away when we are doing well and winning on the park. But I still think there's signs from last summer and in the most recent window that our approach to recruitment needs looked at.

    I also think if we are serious about being a side that regularly competes at the top table in Europe then its an absolute must.
     
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    For some real continuity and consistency in our style across managers it's got to be something we look at putting in place.
     
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    Can't see how we appoint for that position while we have an Ange/Rodgers type character in place... We could have with Delia definitely, Lenny probably first time and definitely at the end of the 2nd term... But, if we bring one in now I reckon we say goodbye to Rodgers.

    But it's definitely something we should be monitoring in the background, with an eye on implementation down the line... Look for a coach and director to be brought in simultaneously - maybe a constant panel with about 3 names for each on it for each position, and see about trying it out with compatible figures from a position of strength, rather than if we were desperate in the future.

    Must remember though, that our single attempt close to this - Dalgleish and Barnes - was a catastrophic mess... Sometimes the grass isn't actually greener on the other side...
     
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  4. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    We never hear anything from our CEO what the plan is..
     
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    Mind lots of chat about this when Lennon left second time around, then Ange was so successful, not just on the park but in terms of transfer business. I agree that it'd be good to put something in place to ensure continuity from one manager to the next. Ironically, Ange's time as manager made me think that actually, if we were to go down the DoF route he'd probably be the ideal candidate. Doubt he'd ever want to take on a position away from the training ground, but if he gets sacked from Spurs in the summer I genuinely think we should ask the question of him.
     
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    In theory I think it makes sense but o get the fear we would appoint a Gordon Strachan or even Martin O’Neill to that role if we done it, someone not actually experienced in it and make Kennedy head coach.

    I have said before I would like to try get the boy in from USG who has seen a data led recruitment strategy implemented and modern thinking. However, he would probably get chased by Lawell and our old board.
     
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    For me the 2 of our biggest issues are our academy structure and the fact there is no real pathway from it to our first team. We really IMHO should be going on a public offensive to get our B team into the sfl league structure. Alongside this what plans do we have to upgrade and expand the stadium, the main stand in particular, that is if we have any although we most definitely should IMHO.
     
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    I don't think the league structure is the answer for the B team- need to be pushing to bring back the reserve league.
     
  9. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I'm not so sure.

    Most top managers work under a director of football or sporting director nowadays. I think we are just behind the times.

    Just because our first attempt didn't work out would be a terrible reason not to try again..
     
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    This is a concern for me as well.

    Again, because everything has worked out relatively risky on the park this season its gone quiet but its something that most fans have wanted direction on for some time.
     
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    Actually, Ange was on record saying he didn't do most of the training ground stuff, and day-to-day stuff with the players if I remember right... He actually oversaw a lot as a director type role and left the coaching to the coaches
     
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    Great question.
    Lack of transparency about all things sporting, player recruitment etc is a perennial problem that our stewards often hide behind to avoid accountability.

    It feels more than reasonable to expect a published sporting structure and strategy for shareholders and fans.

    In particular the recruitment review after a very poor end to the last window that Brendan called out.
    But also the new sporting structure we have started to recruit toward (?) but heard absolutely nothing about or from.
    C'mon Peter, let's be hearing from you:39:
     
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  13. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    Nicholson is the CEO, its he we should be hearing from even if they are Peter's words..:56:
     
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    As happens all the time with our side of things, the club leak enough and say enough to keep fans at bay, but nothing ever happens.

    They'll announce a Peter Lawwell leaving, knowing he's taking over as chairman in 18 months anyway - just to give the fans something to settle down with.

    We will make symbolic sackings of a couple recruitment guys and leak that there is to be an overhaul - it never happens.

    Anyone believing that the club is actively behind the scenes putting together a modern football structure is quite frankly drinking the koolaid.


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  15. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Yep.

    This isn't intended as a bash the board thread. Things are going well at the moment, but it doesn't mean we wouldn't appreciate a bit more clarity. Feel like Rodgers mentioned it about 6 months ago after the summer window ended and then that was it.

    We talk about how well run we are but again that side of things we are still lagging imo. Hearts have a sporting director, for example. Why don't we?

    This is slightly off topic but related to the lack of clarity thing, I wish we would do more in depth training videos or behind the scenes stuff. Liverpool are great for it and have a day in the life of X player etc. Stuff like that generates a buzz with fans and just allows you to see into the lives of these guys you're paying to see every week whether live or via TV.

    These 1min training vids etc are a bit pish. We could still be doing a lot more for a Club our size.
     
  16. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    On the face of it we are very well run..

    However, if you actually delve deeper into the footballing structure it's in dire need of modernisation.

    The fear for me is, the board are reluctant to change a 'winning formula' that's brought incredible domestic success and improvement in Europe(this season at least) and I do understand to an extent.. if we were to give a DoF full autonomy for example, it would need to be the correct appointment. And isn't without risk. As we'd be looking for someone with DoF experience as well as understanding the intricate nature of Celtic and the restrictions of Scottish football, while attempting to act and perform like an elite European Club - Difficult to find, if not impossible.

    It is a chance we need to take though and it's the time to do it.. if we react too late we'll be playing catch up with other peer European sides, if we're not already. Thinking of Brugge and the Dutch clubs.

    And if the Huns get their act together with new ownership, domestically could quickly become an issue if we don’t continue to build, improve and modernise.
     
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    If and it is still an if, they are bought over, I really don't see them getting worse. The yanks or at least the people they'll pay to put in charge will be more adept than who is currently there. I don't think it's "* it" to make that assumption.

    We need to focus and make sure we continue to improve as you say and for me a big part of that is investing not only on the park but the infrastructure side. We have a winning formula now but complacency could very easily set in, it has in the past.

    More and more clubs, Hearts, Hibs and soon the Huns are utilising these data based agencies or consultancies. Now I'm not sure if we are doing that through tisdale but this is where having someone who's primary role is to manage all that would be so beneficial.

    There must be someone out there.
     
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    I think a dof makes sense now as the football department has grown you have the b team first team and women’s team


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