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Physicality problem, especially midfield

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by henriks tongue, Jan 29, 2025 at 10:49 PM.

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  1. Leone Naka Fan

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    OK about height (but we adored Brown who was the same as Iwata), but people were noticing his buff arms. He was well built and had pace. A taller DM might not have that, and with our CB-s last night, a quick DM could have helped stop goal number 3.

    Best solution to the problem would be a CB with lots of experience at DM, because we will only occasionally need a DM.
     
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    I think more than a DM, we could just do with raising the level of athleticism in our midfield.

    You’ve got the wee guys Cal and Reo, both of who are good footballers but neither of whom are particularly quick or strong. Probably add McCowan to that list.

    Engels and Bernardo are a bit more robust (not by much), but I see them as being quite similar to one another and think you lose a lot of creativity by playing them together, meaning it’s usually one of them and two of the little guys in the lineup.

    Finding somebody with UCL/Premier League level physicality in our price range is challenging, so it’d probably more likely be a younger player or one from a less glamorous league we could develop, which isn’t ideal for the here and now. It’s a tough one.

    I was a bit surprised to see the other day that O’Riley was 3rd in the Premier League for distance covered per 90 minutes. He was never quickest or most athletic for us, but he did have a certain physicality to him with his size and stamina.
     
  3. Jo-Jo-Buffon

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    Agree with this, don't see the point of signing someone for 6/8 games, wouldn't happen as their passing is off, but likes of Trusty or CCV sitting infront of the defence ,espically away against better teams
     
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    I agree about physicality but I personally think we lack aggression at times aswell. At least consistently unless we are really up for a game.
     
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    Would kill for a player similar to Mousa Dembele who played with spurs.

    Would be perfect for us.

    When Hatate leaves I wouldn't be replacing him with a like for like, bring in a more powerful midfielder.
     
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    Lack aggression and real mobility in there..

    Too weak when it's a battle..
     
  7. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    I hear a lot of buzz words every time we suffer a defeat in Europe to teams with much larger resources and I hear Wanyama being brought up every time as well.

    I’m sure if an aggressive, pacey, tall, strong, physically imposing beast who was also good at football was available in our price range we’d have a look.

    I presume, given the lack of suggestions, they’re no growing on trees. If all we wanted was a monster Bosun Lawal would have done. Arne Engels has all the tools, he just needs time. As would any player in that mould with talent and physical attributes we’d be able to afford.

    Over and above all of that, give me Makelele, Kante, Xavi, Iniesta, Deschamps, Deco, Scholes et al over simply a musclebound specimen, it’s never as simple as just buy gym freak athletes. Even though modern football is now geared more towards that than ever before. Guys like Modric prove it’s not the be all and end all, talent and ability is still vastly more important than muscle mass and height.
     
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    Happy to see this thread tbh.

    Means that more and more fans are becoming acutely aware that this is a major problem.

    It may take time, but these things usually filter into the media, and then the manager gets asked about at pressers. Especially in Scotland, where rags and opinion writers like Sutton and Boyd obviously take their lead from fan forums. Basically transcribing gripes and adding their own two cents.

    Its actually usurped LB at the top of my wishlist, such is the need for a real dynamic ball winning mid with a bit of power and pace.

    As others said, they dont grow on trees, certainly not within our budget. But still, heres hoping that Rodgers can see the wood from said trees.

    I dont trust him to spot a player to save his life, but he can spot the position no problem. He recognised that we really needed a CB who could play out from the back last time around. Unfortunately we signed Hendry, and it didnt take him long to see he wasnt going to cut it here. But our scouting and assessment has definitely improved since then.

    Is there even anyone domestically we should be looking at?
     
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    He’s covered more ground than any other player in the Champions League.
     
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    Had bets on Rodgers to score and Cal Mac booked because it was so predictable he would struggle with him physically in that area.

    Unbelievable player granted but the fact we don’t have one midfielder that can screen a back 4 in the squad is insane at that level.
     
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    Apparently he's now 2nd to Kimmich by a bawhair, but those 2 are 6km ahead of 3rd place. Not covering ground is a crazy accusation.
     
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    I also see this said a lot though, that getting a player who fits the description is going to be difficult. It may be but I don't think it's impossible. I just feel as though we obviously don't view it as a concern, which is strange.

    I think we'd all take any of those players you mentioned there but they were very elite level. I'd take cannavaro or Baresi at 5ft 9 for CB but at our level we won't find someone with their ability and at that height within our budget. Or anywhere tbh as those players are so few and far between and generational talents. We need to be able to even the playing field at European level and a few more aggressive, physical players would help with that.

    You've even said yourself there that this argument always comes up against teams with more resources and that's why we need to try and be more aggressive or defensive at times as the technical players we can afford will always be outmatched by 80% of UCL opponents. There needs to be a balance for us. These teams now not only have better technical players as they always have, but physicality wise too. Whereas in days gone by we could always be relied upon to at least trump sides on the latter. Now we don't and regularly get bullied. You even see it happen domestically at times.

    Right now we have some good technical players but I think what people are asking for is just one different option. Plenty of teams across Europe have it, not just the very best. I don't even think a monster or a brick shithouse, whatever term you want to use, is needed. We just need a player or two who can win a tackle or a second ball or header in the middle of the park. Help screen the defence a bit. Right now we have noone capable of that. It's a glaring inbalance.

    Even brugge, the guy Onyedika would be the type we should be scouting for. Good engine, strong and aggressive. I'd be astonished if we can't find some options that fit that description. European football is full of these types of guys and we currently struggle to match it at times.

    Doesn't need to be Makelele reincarnate. There's a difference between an out and out CDM who's all about defending, and having a CM who is capable defensively, can get about the pitch and track runners/pick up 2nd balls. I'd like to think we could find a player who fits that role as that's more what's needed. For me.
     
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    Two thoughts on this.

    Xavi & Iniesta are both 5'7 - not exactly 'phyisically imposing, but that didn't stop them from winning 8 or 9 La Ligas, 4 Champions League titles, 2 Euros and a World Cup, side by side in CM.

    On the other hand, not everyone is Xavi and Iniesta.
     
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    We are very soft in midfield.

    Hatate just can’t tackle and is always wrong side of his man.

    Engels is softer than a big pile of puppy poo. His effort at their third goal was pathetic. Just foul the guy and take a booking!

    McGregor can’t do it all on his own regards tackling and he is not the greatest at that either.
     
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    Calmac isn’t a DM. He tends to sit back a bit but that’s the problem. We don’t have anyone that covers the defensive side as their primary strength. Understandable as 75% of our games don’t need one but if we have aspirations of becoming a staple in the champions league and performing to a good level, we really do need that skillset. It would also allow us to play a 4-2-3-1 . Is Engels an option? Potentially but the physical side of his game would need to improve a fair bit.
     
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    I wouldn’t be adverse to signing the next Wanyama, obviously, but it’s not the cure for all our ills is basically what I’m getting at.

    Not every successful side has a 6 foot 4 18 stone African at holding centre mid. If you watch Engels Bundesliga highlights, for example, you’ll see someone more than capable of doing the physical tackling side of a centre mids game but also with the technical ability to start attacks thereafter. He’s shown that in flashes at Celtic and with time he will get better.
     
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    Can we find a Rogic who can 95 minutes a match.

    He was a very deceptive talent in terms of pace and power.

    As I've typed this I just realised MOR will likely be the name mentioned and talent like that doesn't stay here very long
     
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    The two you’ve named wouldn’t cope with that on Wednesday.

    Although we do lack physicality in certain areas I thought we actually got stuck in a bit at times on Wednesday especially after we got a goal back. They didn’t like it either. Seemed to stop it second half though.
     
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    Made an assist*. He knew what he was doing….