Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

you could still be understanding as to why he'd be emotional right now. If you were in the middle of that you'd probably be feeling the same way.

 

Like he understands what the Palestinian people have been suffering at the hands of Israel for over 50 years? Bitton would do well to remember that the fighting in this conflict didn’t start on Saturday.

 

I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas as opposed to Palestinian liberation; but if anyone is, I'm glad they haven't brought that into CP. Military targets are 100% fair game. Military targets with unintentional civilian deaths I can't personally support but neither can I condemn under the circumstances. Deliberately targeting non-combatants, however, is a war crime and I think you just have to condemn it, regardless of how just the cause is. Morally, Hamas are no better than the occupier in my eyes.

 

This is it for me too.


After having more time to think about it, the GB celebrating the outcome of what happened Fri/Sat is absolutely * abhorrent. No great battle was won, there is nothing to celebrate in murder. Not even if it’s on the side you support.

Very very crass from the GB, just wanting to be seen as being all political for the publicity. Looks like it’s worked tho that Mia Khalifa - who done a * in a hijab and would likely have been killed for this fact in the country she’s supporting blindly - has RT’d a picture. Great success!


You can support a cause without celebrating the horrors of war.

 

I'm not questioning your views on what is happening in Israel or asking you to support his views. I'm just saying he was emotional, what you say when you are a bit of a mess isn't going to be the normal you, so just imagine being in that. Your head would be all over the place. It's horrific for lots (millions) of people, scary times.

 

Have they confirmed this? I didn’t see any Hamas flags.

 

See this is where I think you and @Random Review are missing the point. What he said towards the fans was perhaps said in the heat of the moment. However, what he was saying about the conflict in general and what he has went on to say today regarding “what land has been stolen” is not him just speaking out in anger. That’s his mask slipping about how he has always felt. He has had no problem seeing Palestinians slaughtered, in fact, quite the opposite considering he doesn’t think Israel has done anything wrong. Bitton and people who feel like he does are part of the problem. The innocent people who were kidnapped and killed over the weekend is a tragedy, no doubt about that. Does that excuse Bitton feeling that Palestinians are second class citizens? Absolutely not.

 

You think the makeshift banner wasn’t timed to the goings on? A coincidence?

I’m not saying the group supports hamas, I am saying it was an error in their judgement showing their support for Palestine at that time - at least in my opinion.

 

Sorry, but this is nonsense in my opinion. Hamas is not the whole of Palestine. Their actions should not stop anyone showing support for Palestinians. If I’m honest, I’d hazard a guess the banner was made a day or so prior to the kidnappings and killings and it was the plan all along to have the display. It not like the GB showing support for Palestine has just come out of nowhere. They have been doing so for a number of years.

 

I take it they are informed and up to date on the topic more than myself, and I knew early on the Saturday morning of what had been happening over there.

It’s either bad timing or bad taste.

 

I’m not saying they wouldn’t have known what was happening on Saturday morning. I’m saying that the banner has probably been made before Saturday morning and the plan was to be have it displayed at the game. It wasn’t a display supporting Hamas, it was one supporting Palestine. I think that’s getting lost amongst the media and then also lost on a lot of other fans of the club. Should everyone turn their back on supporting Palestinians because of the actions of Hamas?

 

If you don’t want to be aligned with hamas don’t display ‘Victory to the Resistance’ on the morn of one of their attacks.


They should be more clever. No two ways about it.

 

I don't think anybody is saying abandon the cause, but if that banner wasn't in reaction to what happened and just coincidental then surely they should have known by Saturday how those words could be interpreted and just not bothered. I don't think anybody would give a * if there was a banner saying Free Palestine and lots of flags.

 

The timing of the banner makes it very very hard to believe it wasn't referencing the very recent actions of Hamas. Also the lack of any real effort of artistry in the display made it look rushed as opposed to pre planned before the Hamas attacks.

 

Let’s stop beating about the bush.



The GB did display a pro hamas banner. These guys aren’t as stupid as I’m giving them credit for.

 

A lot of assumptions being made. If it was a banner supporting the actions of Hamas, then of course it was wrong. There wasn’t a Hamas flag on display however, and it didn’t look really dissimilar to previous displays supporting Palestine.

 

They absolutely would have. It would have received the same reaction in my opinion. The media would have jumped on it just like they have and then some in our support would have done likewise. As I’ve said previously, it’s just a shame it’s taken Israelis blood to be spilled for not only the media, but a lot of our fans to pay attention to the conflict. Not surprising though in all honesty.

 

I don’t believe that. I might well be wrong, but it’s far too coincidental imo.

Like I said the other day, I’m massively pro-Palestine in the wider scheme of things, but the banner was tasteless, immature and seemed to revel in the murder of civilians, not just the IDF. Something that should be condemned no matter what side of the debate someone is on.

I think there were less crass ways to send a message. They’ve done an amazing job of raising funds for charities in Gaza and the West Bank in the past and have been rightly praised for that. Something more closely related to that kind of thing would have gone down a lot better with the rest of the support.

 

This is a group who is supposed to be incredibly up to date and political. They have to be airing their views as much as they do. I also know these guys are far more ‘clued up’ than me, I pretty much know * all on the topic in the grand scheme.

In my mind there’s absolutely zero chance that a group of people all of the same mindset couldn’t converse about the banner and how it might be taken - if we’re saying it was made the night before.

Even then, there’s also nearly zero chance of that given the wording. What victory? Is there something I’m missing?


The GB bring a lot to the table but they sure do have a lot of stupid ideas. This is just another.

 

Don't think so, not to the same level anyway. It's at all of our home games and I'd say pretty much the norm. Some media outlets may have attacked, some fans may have said tasteless but wouldn't have thought they were actually supporting what happened.

The Green Brigade can do a lot of good stuff, charity wise, but they know how sully their own name in an instance.