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TC Jukebox: What are you listening to now?

Discussion in 'TC Media' started by Sideshow Bob, Jun 27, 2008.

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I did the wiki on this piece, and found it quite amazing, particularly this section:

Influences
Dvořák was interested in Native American music and the African-American spirituals he heard in America. As director of the National Conservatory he encountered an African-American student, Harry T. Burleigh, later a composer himself, who sang traditional spirituals to him and said that Dvořák had absorbed their 'spirit' before writing his own melodies. Dvořák stated:

I am convinced that the future music of this country must be founded on what are called Negro melodies. These can be the foundation of a serious and original school of composition, to be developed in the United States. These beautiful and varied themes are the product of the soil. They are the folk songs of America and your composers must turn to them.

The symphony was commissioned by the New York Philharmonic, and premiered on December 16, 1893, at Carnegie Hall conducted by Anton Seidl. A day earlier, in an article published in the New York Herald on December 15, 1893, Dvořák further explained how Native American music had been an influence on this symphony:

I have not actually used any of the [Native American] melodies. I have simply written original themes embodying the peculiarities of the Indian music, and, using these themes as subjects, have developed them with all the resources of modern rhythms, counterpoint, and orchestral colour.

In the same article, Dvořák stated that he regarded the symphony's second movement as a "sketch or study for a later work, either a cantata or opera ... which will be based upon Longfellow's [The Song of] Hiawatha" (Dvořák never actually wrote such a piece). He also wrote that the third movement scherzo was "suggested by the scene at the feast in Hiawatha where the Indians dance".

In 1893, a newspaper interview quoted Dvořák as saying "I found that the music of the negroes and of the Indians was practically identical", and that "the music of the two races bore a remarkable similarity to the music of Scotland". Most historians agree that Dvořák is referring to the pentatonic scale, which is typical of each of these musical traditions.

In a 2008 article in The Chronicle of Higher Education, prominent musicologist Joseph Horowitz asserts that African-American spirituals were a major influence on Dvořák's music written in America, quoting him from an 1893 interview in the New York Herald as saying, "In the negro melodies of America I discover all that is needed for a great and noble school of music."Dvořák did, it seems, borrow rhythms from the music of his native Bohemia, as notably in his Slavonic Dances, and the pentatonic scale in some of his music written in America from African-American and/or Native American sources. Statements that he borrowed melodies are often made but seldom supported by specifics. One verified example is the song of the Scarlet Tanager in the Quartet. Michael Steinberg writes that a flute solo theme in the first movement of the symphony resembles the spiritual "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot". Leonard Bernstein averred that the symphony was truly multinational in its foundations.

Dvořák was influenced not only by music he had heard, but by what he had seen, in America. He wrote that he would not have composed his American pieces as he had, if he had not seen America. It has been said that Dvořák was inspired by the American "wide open spaces" such as prairies he may have seen on his trip to Iowa in the summer of 1893. Notices about several performances of the symphony include the phrase "wide open spaces" about what inspired the symphony and/or about the feelings it conveys to listeners.

Dvořák was also influenced by the style and techniques used by earlier classical composers including Beethoven and Schubert. The falling fourths and timpani strokes in the New World Symphony's Scherzo movement evokes the Scherzo of Beethoven's Choral Symphony. In his fourth movement, Dvořák's use of flashbacks to prior movements is reminiscent of Beethoven quoting prior movements as part of the opening Presto of the last movement.
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Obviously there are many familiar parts to it, but i had never played the whole thing.Loved it.

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That Dvorak piece is wonderful. Love the bit in that article about the African American and Native American styles being similar to Scottish music. Amazing that music can connect us like that.

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That Dvorak piece is wonderful. Love the bit in that article about the African American and Native American styles being similar to Scottish music. Amazing that music can connect us like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN2FgHN26e0
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I enjoyed that too, and whilst i couldnt truly detect any connection with the African American style, (except maybe the beat) i sort of could detect a similarity with Native American music there!.

Not being an expert on all the technical side of music.:smiley-laughing002:

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That Dvorak piece is wonderful. Love the bit in that article about the African American and Native American styles being similar to Scottish music. Amazing that music can connect us like that.
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mygirlmaria said: ↑

I enjoyed that too, and whilst i couldnt truly detect any connection with the African American style, (except maybe the beat) i sort of could detect a similarity with Native American music there!.

Not being an expert on all the technical side of music.:smiley-laughing002:
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One thing I seen in the comments was that at 23:05 minutes in you can hear The Lord Of The Rings, at 26:40 Star Wars and at 31:33 Jaws. I don't know how I didn't hear any of them when I listened through it just then, especially the Jaws one.

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Aye, I couldn't point to you to where there are African American styles or Native American styles to be fair, but it is funny how the Scots and the Native Americans hadn't come into contact with each but were playing the same or at least similar music. :icon_mrgreen:

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