Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

Mate It doesn’t in any way, shape or form.

 

Nope.

Still doesn’t make it not sectarian, or acceptable. Just because it doesn’t refer to ‘all Protestants’ doesn’t make it innocent.

 

A quick google shows that members need to be Protestant, makes sense seeing as it’s a Protestant organisation.

 

Okay, we're getting somewhere now.

If we acknowledge that the Orange Order and Protestantism are not one & the same and hold entirely incompatible principles then conflating one with the other is flawed ie. Orange * ≠ Protestant *.

Protestantism when practiced correctly in accordance to it's teachings is tolerant and inclusive. Orangeism when practiced in accordance with it's rules is intolerant and exclusive.

This is the issue with tackling sectarianism which is very black and white by definition. People are blurring the lines with whataboutery and bringing in these incorrect conflations.

What's sectarian and what's acceptable are completely different arguments and the latter is completely subjective. Sectarianism should - if the law is enforced correctly - always be a crime and therefore unacceptable. But what someone deems unacceptable is not always a crime eg. anti-poppy stance, booing during a minutes silence, comparing SNP perspective on Bobby Sands with William Wallace

 

That’s utter * tbh.

 

Bingo! We have a winner.

 

That’s quite an impressive use of gaslighting, congratulations.

Calling someone an orange * is always aimed at a Protestant person, or at least someone perceived to be. It’s rooted in their religious belief no matter what way you attempt to spin it. By their own admission, you can’t be in the orange order without being a Protestant.

I’d disagree with Protestantism being tolerant and accepting but that’s another discussion.

Nope.

 

Sectarianism doesn’t have to be about religion. It can be two sects within an area..

The term Orange * and * *, might not actually be an insult to either but it certainly can be deemed as Sectarian.

 

But people weren’t singing about Protestants were they? Are you going to include Baptist’s and Lutheran’s aswell?

 

We're going round in circles here so not all that much point in continuing.

To clarify though you can be in the Orange Order and not be Protestant. The very first Jewish politician to be elected in Canada, George Benjamin (born Moses Cohen) became a Grand-Master in the Order.

 

It matters not on whether they are Protestants or not, Orangemen are a sect in Ireland and Scotland and if you call them Orange * that’s Sectarian.

 

Anyway probably best for the Political Section..

 

No more of a sect than the KKK.

 

Fair enough. As I said it’s not something I really care about.

 

KKK aren’t Sect in Scotland or Ireland..

 

So calling out sectarianism is bad then, as I’ve said I don’t agree calling people orange * that clearly aren’t. But I will defend my right to call those that I do know as such.

 

Who started the KKK?

 

This isn't meant to be facetious but it shows.

We shouldn't afford groups the ability to preach and practice hate & intolerance and not be open to be criticism under the guise of being a religion or religious organisation.

 

Where they're located geographically is completely irrelevant.

 

Aye fair enough, I’m no saying don’t..

Think people get bogged down by the terminology tbh.. it’s merely the difference between two groups often religion, like Catholics & Protestants within Christianity..