Brendan Fraudgers!

What do you mean, even Arsenal...??

Since when have Arsenal or Wenger been any kind of measuring stick for European pedigree? lol

Arsene Wenger is finished as a top level coach... so I wouldn't use his Arsenal team as some kind of barometer, with which to judge our own performance levels.

You certainly seem to think we should be jumping for joy at finishing in 3rd. I don't really understand that mentality tbh!

Fair enough, if we enter the Europa league and have a good run.... that would be great for the club. But finishing 2nd from bottom in our CL group, is nothing to be proud of. It's certainly nothing to celebrate!

You have to find a way to compete. We obviously can't really compete with a team like PSG, in terms of technical ability etc... but there are other ways to be competitive!

The problem, is that Rodgers is a very one-dimensional coach. He lacks the tactically flexibility (and knowledge imo), to set us up in a different way to be more competitive. He sees the game a certain way, and cannot see any other alternatives! That's a big problem for us in this competition....

 

Nobody thinks that. I challenge you to find one post that says losing 12-1 is acceptable.

When Arsenal can get turned over in similar fashion though, why should we be any different?

We are genuinely now at a point where people are asking Brendan to abandon his principles just to get defeated 4-0 instead of 7-1.

Where is that going to get us long term? What will we learn by putting 8 behind the ball and hoping for the best? It's still 3 points at the end of the day.

 

Stopped there because either you are at it or you clearly can't read posts properly.

 

I indulged you and read the rest.

I shouldn't have bothered.

 

Contender for the most ridiculous post I've read on here (and that includes all of Doc Venglos' eulogies of Scott Allan being the next Zidane)

 

I especially loved "second from bottom" That's some hardcore contempt pouring out of every letter.

 

You no been seeing all those “wenger out” signs? His jobs on a shoogly peg as it is mate.

We should be different because we dont have the quality or the money Arsenal have to buy quality players.

This is ridiulous and complete nonsense. Nobody is asking him to abandon his principles.
Your assuming the critics are asking him to change his set up for every game. No!! Just the away games where we are already up against it. Is that really that hard to understand?

Your on a completley different planet if u think Celtic can go to PSG and play an open game. Dream world. Very few teams can. But because we rarely get beat domestically we should be able to?

Theres not even a point in debating really. Recent history proves you wrong, the result proves you wrong and so does our defensive performance.

Id far rather we go for it at home and give ourselves a fighting chance away from home. We could clearly afford to go toe to toe with Anderlecht because they have nowhere near the calibre of players PSG do. So yeah, there are instances where clearly it will pay dividens.

Long term? Lets talk short term first. In Europe, a win away from home can be the difference from progressing to the next round or not. Lets keep focused on the task in hand first eh?

 

It wasn't so long ago that we couldn't go to Anderlecht and be so expansive.

Brendan has a plan, I'm sure of it. These pumpings are teaching us things about ourselves, Brendan is learning as well.

We got overpowered last night and we lost the plot in stages. There is no denying the start we made though. That is Brendan's idea for us, to be able to compete over 90 minutes, not to just survive against these teams.

 

To be honest, if you don't understand the comparison I'm trying to make about a team like Arsenal and ourselves then what's the point?

 

People seem to be looking for perfection. They love that Brendan Rodgers' principles is bringing domestic domination, a treble and a 64 game unbeaten run. But, they're not happy that those same principles have seen us take a couple of pumpings in Europe, even though we've qualified for the CL group stages two years running and are about to overachieve in this group being a pot 4 team about to finish third.

So, we are actually making progress in Europe, not that you would know it right enough.

I'm far from happy with the pumpings and it is incredibly soul-destroying to watch us getting torn apart by superior sides. At times, I think we as a support expect too much.

Our style of play gave us a 3-0 away win in Anderlecht and how many times have we won 3-0 away from home in the CL group stages? or in Europe overall for that matter. But then, you'll have people downplay that, even Celtic fans, saying Anderlecht aren't up too much and what not. Some people need a reality check of where we are on the football food chain.

Could we lessen the pumpings by putting ten men behind the ball and rarely venturing forward in these games? Yeah, we probably could but I don't think Brendan Rodgers would be even capable of trying to do that. We pretty much done that last year against Barcelona and still got pumped 7-0.

Brendan Rodgers has built a team to try and play football, so to do the ten men behind the ball thing he would probably need to buy different types of players to even have a chance of carrying it out successfully. But then, that would probably take away from some of the football we play.

People seem to be looking for the perfect manager which is impossible, and in my mind Brendan Rodgers is the best manager we could possibly get, so I'm willing to accept his shortcomings because the positives of what he has brought to Celtic and what he has done for Celtic far outweigh the negatives.

 

It is about trying to find a way that keeps a tie alive as long as possible and giving yourself a chance to get lucky. If motherwell manage to win the cup on sunday it wont be because they decided to out pass celtic or out dribble them. It will be through getting in celtics faces, being tight at the back, being direct and riding their luck. There is no glory in going toe to toe and turning the game into a formality after half and hour.

Long term surely we need to adapt. By all means play the same set up in 90% of games. But there should be a plan B as well when passing through teams isnt an option.

 

What kind of principles are they, if they are a contributing factor in conceding 12 goals??

Can't be all that special really!

It's amazing how much excuses some people are prepared to make for Rodgers, just because they think he plays the game the "right" way! Some people really have the blinkers on! (the Regi Blinkers)

 

It’s not just because he plays the game the ‘right’ way, it’s because he’s yet to lose a game domestically, he has in all probability kept us in Europe for Christmas & pulled off an impressive win at the home of the champions of Belgium.
If PSG can stick six past Barca, then they are capable of doing it to anyone, including us.
I have no doubt that we are watching the emergence of another ‘super’ team in PSG. Let’s see how teams like Liverpool & United fair against them before hanging BR out to dry.

 

Perhaps I'm one of those rare few people, that don't actually think Leicester City's title win was a fluke....

Don't get me wrong, what they did was very difficult to achieve. And even more difficult to repeat... but I still don't think it was a fluke either! I think they were the best team in the EPL that season, despite having a tiny budget compared to their rivals.

I think it is actually possible for Celtic to compete in the CL, even with our small resources! But we have to be very intelligent about how we approach this competition! Just going out and blindly going toe-to-toe with PSG.... that is simply never going to work for us.... it's just not a very intelligent approach to take!

IMO, Rodgers did not really learn any lessons from the pumping Barca gave us last season... so I'm not really sure where some fans get their optimism regarding our progression in this competition!

Top coaches find solutions to problems. If Rodgers really is a top coach, then he needs to find a way to make us more competitive. Instead of just throwing your hands up, and saying "oh they're just too good"... "we played 5 at the back.... what more can we do!?"

Sorry Brendan, but there is A LOT more we can do!!

 

I'm really happy you decided to post, even though you have been a member all through our invincible season you chose today to post.

Well done.

 

Fooling no *.

 

Kris commons was spot on, Lennon Strachan even O'Neil were nowhere near capable of the invincible season we had, Rodgers has been terrific, he's a great young manager and still learning but compared to guys like O'Neill n Strachan he is inept when setting up his stall against top skilful European sides, and the 5-0 7-1 and 7-0 stats , going on 10-1 and 10-0 prove it, we never lost as easy as that in champions league before so he needs to change things and set up his stall differently

 

He doesn't have to do anything of the sort.

If we get to the EL then Brendan has done what he set out to do.

How he sets us up has directly contributed to us being in pole position to progress.

 

3rd place finish is great and progress from last year and we were superb in Belgium also thought we were excellent against Bayern Munich 2 weeks ago
People are just stating a fact we know Barcelona n PSG are excellent teams but we've been up against excellent teams before in champions league and held our own won a few lost a few by 2 or 3 at most but the 2 PSG games and Barcelona last year were 7 going on 10 and everytime they went up park they could've scored so change things to make it harder for these teams which we did so well in the past, it's torture to watch, watch the clock more than the game praying for it to finish as we get ripped open at will

 

Invincible at what, exactly?

Look, I'm as happy as the next guy when Celtic win... but I also have a sense of perspective about who we're beating!

Some people are happy living in the little bubble of Scottish football. Their little safe space, where they don't have to confront the reality of where we are as a club right now! Small-time thinking!!

I want to see us finding a way to be competitive in Europe. Many of our fans think that is beyond our capabilities. But I disagree....

Is it okay with you, if I have a different view on things??

Oh and btw, I'll post whenever I feel like posting... (or not at all)... as I see fit. You shouldn't worry how many posts someone has... I certainly won't be giving your opinions any more credence than they deserve, just because you have 55,000 posts! (You could just be one of those people, who likes to talk a lot! )