The Big Strachan Argument (Multiple Threads Merged)

Kevin, this guy Stachan has billed celtic v hibs like celtic v rangers or celtic v ac milan, with statements like it is a mouth watering spectacle to watch the players are looking forward to it as are the fans. "what" Aberdeen hibs heart etc not forgetting rangers feared comming up against celtic not to mention european teams, this all changed under strachan even clyde dont fear us.

This guy talks up games like hib to make him look good when he wins and praises teams like Barca saying they are the best we got beat by the best.

Before he came hibs we beat 5-0 barca we kicked out of the uefa cup, can nobody see that we are a shadow of what we were before this clown came here.
A new manager will have to totally rebuild the team this could set us back years.
Remember Telford he could not even get a game at southampton because he was that crap and they were getting relagated, but he was good enough for celtic in the CL give me a break.
Strachan i weill celebrate when you are finally caught out and kicked out, this guy clears out his midfield and buys Snow to replace them, I think this guy hates celtic why else would you put a team out in the cl that had no chance of winning the match.

Strachans first match 5-0 down and chris sutton on the bench, defense crap and big bobo not played
We won the title because rangers were mince they are still bad but not as bad and they are proving to good for us.

I guarantee that everyone here will agree and want him out before the end of the season.

Barcalona you cant really say much, but Rangers are our closest rivals and you will see how far we have fallen under strachan when we play them and the gulf between them and us.

can anyone tell me of any other celtic manager who needed 2 goals in a knockout competition go out for a draw in the first half and not get a shot on goal till the 90th min.

In fact can anybody tell me of any manager anywhere in the world premier, junior, kids school, Any any any who would do this, need two goal and go out to defend, and we are expected to trust this guy.

I am dreading the run in to the title, passion love etc is blinding us, the celtic fans that wanted strachan out after the friendlys were correct as we went and got cuffed 5-0 in his first match leaving thompson and sutton thats when he should have went.
Dont trust him and dont like him, this guy cares nowt for celtic I saw his false passion for celtic at the nou camp which reminded me of tony blair and his acting. Watch the videos watch the post match comments, losing does not bother him "why" because he aint got celtic in the heart thats why.

 

You can't compare what was back then to today's football. it has changed so much, football is all about money nowadays, it's a business.

there was almost no way we could beat barca. you ain't happy with our players (in some other threads), actually most of WGS signings were duds. but you still expect us to beat barca with that squad full of duds?

 

Pavmas your going a bit over the top saying Strachan doesn't give a * about Celtic, the guy's got a reputation to protect (whether it's a good or bad one is irrelevant). Do you honestly think he would make himself out to be a bad manager on purpose just because he dislikes Celtic as a club? To be honest mate that just shows that you have got a lot to learn about life in general never mind football (no offence intended )

However you do make some good arguments. Particularly when you say that SPL teams (including the huns) used to * themselves when coming to Paradise or even when we go to their ground wherever it may be. You just don't get that feeling anymore that we are feared. Even the likes or Gretna and St Mirren must think they're in with a good chance of taking points off us and they have every right to think that after some of the performances we've put in this season.

 

Powerfull post Pavmas and many others will use hindsight and state the Artmedia game was the beginning and should have been the end but that's just ridiculous..

It comes across as really bitter and from people who aren't rational and must have sat with their heads in the hands (maybe just allowing themselves a subdued celebration) when we clinched the title on each of the last two seasons and had more joy on Scottish cup final day and had some fantastic late winners in Champions League..
That's not how fans should be feeling , that they hate a Celtic manager from the moment he is appointed..

Football tends to divide fans as much as it unites us.. Sometimes fans on here will tell others to shut up because they're complaining after a victory.. Others will say our late SPL victories are nothing more than papering over the cracks and drastic action needs to be taken..

Overall Im happy.. Sure I'd love to see better players at the club and there's no doubt for the money spent there are others who could have come in and done a better job..

I've celebrated every win since Strachan became boss but it hasn't stopped me ripping into team selection and tactics and anything else when I feel like it , but I'll always give him my backing unless he sells the fans down the river , or is replaced by someone else..

The "losing doesn't bother him" accusation is hard to accept , but I can see why you might say it after Barcelona because his speech before the game and afterwards didn't fill me with any belief that he set out to have a go.. He'd have been ranting and raving at the players if it hurt him so much , and maybe there was an acceptance from him that we just aren't good enough..

If that's the case then his attitude is also "just not good enough"..

I think the Barcelona results should be forgotten now and back the team to win every game from now till the end of the season..

From a strictly Celtic point of view there's many things that can be improved on the playing side but I feel its more noticeable when you make comparisons between now and the previous era where the same finances and quality of players inherited , were just not there for Strachan..
You can argue he's had the best part of three years to change it and stamp his own identity on the team and from that point of view if that (scrappy wins) is his hallmark then it's been a lot worse than great.. The last two seasons a never say die attitude got us a big lead.. At times this season we are a complete shambles , players tackling our own players , getting in each others way in the penalty box , no consistent pattern of attacking play , and other things like that.. When we are good as a team it's usually been down to the brilliance of Mcgeady or the goals of Mcdonald , or a great goalkeeping performance to prevent a goal during a lapse in the game..

We're all waiting for the huns to slip up... Im sure it will happen and things will look brighter.. Im staying positive because they are not a good footballing side and I expect to see real hunger from our players (which hasn't materialised enough times this season) to be the telling factor in the title race..

Im not sure if winning the league again this year will be good enough for some poeple , or if the only solution that can lift their gloom is for Strachan to step down..

 

we will win it there are still hard games left for them

 

Well said that poster.

 

I'm wrong? i gave you the final score of the game i was talking about and you come up with the 2-1 game. even though i CLEARLY wrote 1-0.

 

When any player plays well i will compliment them and when Strachan gets it right i'll compliment him just as i'll give them pelters when they under perform.
Anyone that is lucky enough to get the privelage in pulling that famous hooped jersey over their head better be prepared to sweat blood for it as far as i and thousands of others are concerned.
I dont think Strachan gets it therefor its obvious he cant pass on what he doesnt understand. Oh he's very good at the old soundbytes but i'm sorry Celtic isnt in his or many of the players hearts the "passion" isnt there.

Your right btw. football is about money but it doesnt mean i have to like or accept it does it? Ive never been one for following the crowd tbh.:icon_mrgreen:

 

Outstanding and accurate post mate
Hail Hail

 

whit???? We havent done this well in Europe in decades!!!

 

I think there is a strong parallel. They I disagree with those who say they are crap. play simple physical ultra-direct football. They just have a basic direct style that is very effective in SPL conditions. They are a very effective, strong and mentally strong side and we will have to be good to keep our league. I reckon they are the best Rangers side for 6 or 7 years.

 

Reality check! Mark 2!!!

How depressing to read the sentiments expressed in the "reality check "thread below and many others like it. So if I am to believe all the views expressed, Glasgow Celtic are a poor little team punching well above their weight to qualify for the knockout stages of the Champions League!

And there was I, thinking that I supported the best supported team in the world in real terms. Glasgow Celtic, unlike the Premier League giants like Liverpool (after 20 years without domestic success can't fill their 44,000 ground on non season ticket holding days! Man utd would be the same subsequent to a similar period without success, Chelsea in a few years won't fill my local pub no matter how successful they are!)

For a team like Glasgow Celtic to start believing that a place in the last 16 of Europe is acceptable is dreadful!!!!

The excuse of lack of revenue in comparison to teams like Barca, Real, Man utd is an insult!! Whilst the aforementioned may be as big as us they are not bigger! They play in a league which provides them with much greater revenue. So we have a choice as follows:

1. Remain where we are in the SPL and feel pathetically sorry for ourselves.

2. Our owner and our supporters campaign with Benfica, Porto, Ajax, Feyenoord,PSG, Marseille, Galatasaray,etc etc and tell UEFA, we are not turning up to pay into any games ever again unless we have a euro league!!!

 

first off, celtic are not punching above there weight to get to the last 16.
they would be if they'd beat barca or milan to get to the last 8
secondly, as of 2 seasons ago we never got ahead of the group stage. you can't go from - not qualifying for the last 16 to expecting last8/4 instantly. its just not going to happen

 

* ,,were u listining to real radio,,there m8,,ya wee *,,

 

me? i was not. what was on?

 

*, thanks for the reply and whilst I genuinely appreciate it, I not sure you had the patience to fully read my thread! I believe we are punching way below our weight! I am a child of the 60's and 70's! Barca, much as I love them, would have been priveleged to play on the same park as us then!d

 

But the world has changed since then, as has football. We cannot afford the top players nowadays, there is no escaping that.

 

who is the better manager?

intersting one here bhoys

walter smith or gordon strachan?

 

I dont agree Martin we can aford top players maybe not top transfer fees but definately quality bosmans. I am also certain their are untaped top quality talent waiting to be discovered around europe and beyond. We may not be able to get the worlds best but we can buy the right kind of players to create a Solid competative team at any level.All that is needed is a quality Manager and coaches to organise them.For example Totenham where a shambles under Martin Jol but a dozen games into Juande Ramos stewardship he has got them playing well and has made them dificult to beat.Football is´t rocket science OK you maybe need the top top players to win the top prizes.However if you cant get these players you can certainly make it difficult for the teams that can.

 

I don't wanna be drawn too much into this debate but all I can say is: the day we (consistently) play 4-5-1 at home (with a full strength team) is the day I suck Daniel O Donnell off.