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Okay....."abandon" then. Still, how can you "abandon" what you've achieved in terms of history unless you tell someone to CTRL-ALT-DEL it?

No we are not Chelsea or Man City, we are Celtic. I don't see why you think that would change? And I tell you what, I'll call you a lying * if you tell me that you aren't in the slightest envious or jealous with the financial clout that the two teams you mentioned have. You happy enough for Celtic to be buying players at the level of (no disrespect to them) Dorus de Vries and Moussa Dembele, instead of Claudio Bravo, Sergio Aguero and Eden Hazard etc?

 

They can shove their soulless corporate freakshow up their * as far as I'm concerned.

Can you imagine oridinary working class fans being priced out of the game with 60, 70 quid tickets, the GB getting disbanded the first time they step out of line and half the stadium filled with tourists who started "supporting" us after we win out first EPL title?

Not for me thanks. Maybe if we were in very real danger of going out of business I would consider it but for the time being I am happy with where and what my club is.

 

I understand your sentiment mate, really I do, but...........

We are bigger than Scottish fitba. The establishment have tried to * us since day one. The fans are being priced out of tickets as it is - what is it for the Sevco game........£50? The GB would come up against the same adversement down there as they would up here whenever they express themselves in stuff other than general fitba chanting, and who are we to say who can support this team? Didn't hear anyone complaining at the wee Japanese crowd over supporting Nakamura.....where they brought up singing the Rebs doon the Gallowgate? Nah.

I'm all for chasing the finance rather than being held back by scum who hate us.

 

Go on call me a lying * then. All day every day I would take us for who are as a club and community over any signing in the world.

Think it through to its logical conclusion. Say we sign Aguero one season, what happens the next season? You want more. If we bought one £20m player that would be massive, if we bought 4 every year then soon enough no one would care.

Success is just a temporary thing and some fans expectations are already through the roof. What lasts out is community and identity, I don't want that to be watered down by abandoning our roots and going off to play in the 5th tier of English football.

 

More I think about this, the more I think I would take it.

Was going to quite a dozen posts there but figured I will just go off on a long rant trying to cover as many points as I can - not like I don't do that often enough.

Firstly, today we would perhaps get bear by the Southampton of the epl, but that's based on current squads, take us to the epl and out squad improves massively with greater investment.
Secondly, unlike sevco who are a new club and asked players to transfer over to them, all our players are under contract - we are not going to be a new club in a new league. We are the same club with the same values and history and traditions. Just playing in a different league. Sure a lot of players will perhaps request to leave, but I bet a few won't. Our turnover/revenue wouldn't ever take a hit (outside of the pathetic league prize money we have, everything else is our own making) so I don't see us needing to sell to cover costs. Look at our u20 team for Christ sake, how many in a row have they won now? Unbeaten last season and this season happily skelping the rest of the Scottish football's *. We could use just the development squad and still make it through the first 3 tiers without a worry.

The excitement and match days of playing arsenal, chelsea, liverpool, man united, man city, spurs, every 3rd week is great. Add in playing Everton, west ham, Southampton etc in between times and its still ten times better entertainment and joy than the current dross we have to endure to play against. Least we will play against some teams who don't park 10 men behind the ball.

I very much doubt our attendance would even fall that badly either. Give the hun support one thing, they stuck by their new club pretty well and pulled in a decent support even last year.
Nothing to suggest our support wouldn't pull together any differently - if anything I would believe we would support the club even more.

I also don't see a crazy Arab billionaire coming in to buy us and take the soul from our club.
We have our own crazy billionaire now, who would only become more involved in the club if our stature improved as it would. Ran by an Irish billionaire. Never a soulless oilgarch

I just hope that if it did happen, then we do it properly. No * around. Ok I said our development squad would be fine for the first 3 tiers, and I believe that would be. But we would need to be building every year to make sure the investments are done right and we step it up every time.
Promotion to tier 4, go snap up the best that league has, even the league above. Promotion to league 2, go buy league one players etc. We need to properly invest and not just think it will happen on its own and wait for the money to come to us.

Truely believe we would progress to the championship very quickly. And if done right, automatic promotion from that to the epl wouldn't be a big jump either. It is what we do in the epl that will matter.

5 or 6 years with no European football( minus a cup run) is ok for me as we would be hitting the Europa league spots first time of asking. And we would * take them seriously unlike west ham.



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Non-starter.


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I'd happily join the English leagues. The corruption and bias shown by the Scottish football authorities towards the zombies is unforgivable. * Scottish football we have to look after ourselves. Don't buy this * that what we are would be diluted by moving.

 

Yeah, I think you're a lying * then

We want to sign the best we can anyway. Look at the clamour we have on here year in/year out for Desmond and Lawwell to splash the cash......it's evident and it's realistic that we would want to be up there with the big boys of Europe and that will NOT happen whilst we play in Scotland. We do well enough to scrape by every year by having to go and play in tournaments like the one we did pre-season. Put it this way - the past few seasons Southampton plundered us for our 3 best players (Wanyama, Forster, van Dijk) for a rough total of...what...£35m. We plundered Dundee Utd for their 3 best players for a total of £1.5m. That shows the level we were operating at.

I still don't see your reason for claiming we would lose our identity or roots.......we'd still be playing and operating in Scotland ffs. We wouldn't be picking up our stadium and relocating it to Umbridgeshire or some shitehole like that. Celtic Park would remain in the heart of Glasgow's East End, as would our community links. We would be playing our away football in England, whilst welcoming some of the world's best footballers to our stadium every other week - you know fine well our gate receipts would be marginally better than welcoming.....say.....Hamilton (again, no offence to them).

Do Swansea and Cardiff have no local roots left down in Wales because they play in the top 2 tiers of English football?

Listen mate, I'm not having a go at ye personally here, I DO see why you would be against it - but putting it down to purely footballing matters, we are lagging well behind the rest of European football's big clubs by a huge margin. We are overall still a huge club worldwide, but on the pitch? No.

 

Aye I would * hate it if we were signing players totalling over 100million every season. How * would that be? Imagine we won the epl and had a real chance at the big cup again? * that I will be happy knowing my club won the big cup one time before my life.



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YES!!!!!!

 

Crux of the matter for me. We are being held back not only by an organisation and country that hates us but which has actively worked against us throughout our history. What do we owe them? Why do some people have some sort of * reverence for the Scottish footballing system? Joining the BPL would only strengthen our identity because the difference between our club and the rest would be more apparent.

 

I want to see us named the best team in the world after winning the most prestigious club competition in the world. We'll never do that playing in Scotland.

We wouldn't lose our Scottish/Irish identity. Our "Irishness" has been attacked from day 1 and look how that has turned out :smiley-laughing002:

As a club with strong Scottish/Irish roots I would also get an extreme kick out of winning the English Premier League.

I would, however, prefer to do this with a commitment from the board to spend to get us to the Premier League and also make the move independently from the scum.

 

We are, but it would make us bigger. We could match Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool. We could sign the best players in the world amd stand a chance of winning the big cup again.

Im not all for this by the way. I'm perfectly happy where we are.

 

Think the only doubt on my mind (I'm pretty much sold on the ideA) is that romantically it would be nicer to make Scottish football better and achieve our top goal/dream that way.

But as is said, Scottish football * hates us. More so the * in charge. And none of them are willing to help Scottish football as a whole. We have seen that clear as day the past 5 years now. * Scottish football if it means we have a real chance of growing out club. Taking our traditions and ambitions elsewhere.

I may be against some things the green brigade and fellow thinking fans do some times, but give them credit that their reasoning and passion is top notch, imagine those displays, that passion for the causes being displayed to the world on the worlds most watched league.

Out traditions and club would blow the rest of English football out the water.

Geniuely think if done properly we would be up there with barcelona, man united of world football in 10 years.


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The price of tickets wouldn't go up though, not by much anyway if at all.

An extra £20million by raising the prices to £60/70 a game wouldnt be worth it pricing out lots of local fans, if anything the prices could even be decreased since money would be pouring in from all angles.

Even if we gave away all tickets to every game for free we would still be about 5x richer than we are now and able to afford world class players and 6 times the wagebill we have now.

At the moment ticket sales make up about 50% of our basic turnover, in the EPL it would be about 10%.

 

The Championship is far better quality than our league yet we are in Europe along with the best in the game.

I used the Championship as a comparison as I think that our Leagues specifically our main one could aim to be on that level of quality. It's a realistic comparison I feel.

Hence my whole post about the SFA surely doing something to fix our game up here, you dig?

 

The SFA will do nothing to change our game up here. They are masonic dinosaurs that are 30 years behind the rest of European Fitba. There's a reason why the national team is *, and not to mention the fact that two very progressive footballing minds in Mark Wotte and Brian McLair took the Performance Director (or something along those lines) jobs with the SFA and left pretty quickly. They know there's * all that can be changed up here.

We owe Scottish fitba absolutely nothing. We have carried it for years, and we have been met with nothing but adversary, cheating and downright skullduggery. It's time we left them in the hole it is in and set of for the bright lights of riches and fame.

 

I agree mate, but I'm living in hope. Fan power could surely sway things towards a change?

 

The amount of people saying we would struggle shocking we are celtic since when did we as a clubs and fans get scared of a challenge

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I would have always wished Scottish fitba could return to the likes of the eras in the 70's and 80's mate, but it's never going to happen.

The gulf in class between Scotland and the other top European countries is now at a level where (imo) there is NO catching up on them.

I for one do not wish to see my club fall any further behind, and certainly not for the sake of some silly wishful thinking that would serve purpose to those in Scottish Fitba that despise us and have done their damdest to crush us.

* them.