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gary caldwell's performance against barca

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by randy, Feb 20, 2008.

Discuss gary caldwell's performance against barca in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Johnbhoy67

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    I think Caldwell is being fingered unfairly. Yes he was poor tonight as was the other defenders but you have to look at what is in front of him. A midfield reported missing from the first minute. Toure gave a masterclass in midfield defending tonight and I hope WGS gets them all a DVD of his performance. It's a chicken and egg situation. Was the defence bad because of the midfield or was the midfield bad because of no support from the back. Certainly we did defend too deep but there was no out ball for defenders. All three goals were bad defensive mistakes, Caldwell was only responsible for one of them.
     
  2. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    If you are going to lay blame at Caldwells door then look at his partner. Mc Manus was * terrible this evening and everyone knows it. The reason he wont get picked on? He's our captain and we should stand by him.

    If we want to progress a level we are 3 players short of a back 4 and that is the long and shost of it. We are good enough to win the spl but any further and Naylor, McManus and Caldwell ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH and that is coming from Naylor and Garys biggest fan.
     
  3. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    6 yards out, you can pick any corner.

    I have never said anything other than Caldwell is not Celtic class, and the other defenders have shown more than him at times. I still believe, even minus Caldwell, we are not strong enough in defence.

    My comments are from tonights game.
     
  4. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    I agree to an extent, but who is the right back?
     
  5. unoimrite

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    "Certainly we did defend too deep but there was no out ball for defenders."

    have to disagree - the top row of the stand comes to mind, a bit better than fecking about playing pass the parcel next to goal .the defence are making celtic a joke, but hey were making money - cant be that bad!!:54:
     
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    sorry dont agree with you
    he doesnt do enough to justify a celtic top,he has been pish all season and playing him in the hope we get a free kick is stupid,the guys a good player but a shitebag with no workrate,celtic need more from our players especially against opposition like barca

    fair dos though we are all entitled to our opinions
     
  7. Johnbhoy67

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    Jesus wept. Caldwell took enough stick for mis placing a pass, can you imagine the abuse if he just booted it out of the park.
     
  8. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Hinkel, from what i've seen previous to wearing the hoops is good enough. In fact i don't think he got anywhere near the praise he deserved at the weekend for his defensive display purely for the fact he was a couple yards short of Driver which will be eradicated when he regains match fitness. He has a tendency for covering his centre halves something we sorely require just now unfortunately.
     
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    Before you say Bobo was injured I know that. However hypethetcialy. Do you think messi would have been given the same room inside the six yard box if Bobo was in front of him. In fact Messi probably wouldnt of had the bottle to do his trick if it was the big man instead of Caldwell.

    I do agree with you and Hammer though that our our back four needs improved no doubt about it. Indeed it has needed strengthend for far to long now.
     
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    The unfortunate side of Naka is that he'll try like * to win the ball and probably end up being put on the ground or heavily tackled.. Ronaldinho put the first heavy challenge on him around the 10 minute mark when he went right through him and we got a free-kick.. There was at least 5 times after that when he went into a challenge or had the ball and was challenged , ended up on the ground and the ref waved play on.. Theres a fine line between a foul and a legitamit challenge where the ref would say the player showed strength to win the ball.. Naka loses a lot of these decisions.
     
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    Celtic were totally outclassed on the night, no question about it.
    But to blame caldwell for a slack pass, how many of them did we see tonight and not just by caldwell ?!

    I bet nobody was thinking about caldwells defending when we were 2-1 up at half time !! We lost a couple bad goals, but in truth, it could have been a lot more.

    It is obvious the difference in class between the sides, how many world players of the year have barca in their team ?! I just think we should appreciate the effort the lads have put in this season and get behind the team instead of slating them all !!

    P.S. Not much teams would cope with barca with the way they played tonight !!
     
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    So, if you put your body between Messi and the goal, you can't force him wide?
    Caldwell had no time to panic?
    Well he had loads of time and acres of space to hit the ball into when he gave away the ball for Barca's second goal.
    I'm not basing my opinion on Caldwell on one game, he constantly makes bad choices and frequently makes bad mistakes.
    Composure is not a word you could use when describing Caldwell, I just can't believe that he still gets a game for Celtic after making so many bad mistakes.
    Messi is a world class player, unfortunately for us Caldwell is an average SPL defender.
    I'm not unrealistic, just dissapointed that we didn't play well tonight, and that we were the makers of our own downfall with some very poor defending, in my opinion Caldwell is the biggest liability in our defense.
     
  13. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    To be perfectly honest Hammer, I have not been impressed with the defensive part of Hinkel's game so far.

    He looks the part going forward, but defensively, for me, looks way off the mark.

    Not just with Driver, who has pace to burn, but in his games so far, he has looked positionally naive to me. He will come good though (hopefully) as he has a pedigree.
     
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    Jesus wept. Caldwell took enough stick for mis placing a pass, can you imagine the abuse if he just booted it out of the park.

    he does it often enough - miss placing passes and booting it out of the park. if he cant pass he should play safe and clear the lines, he has no ability and as far as i'm concerned his priority is to get the ball to * away from our goals, i wont praise him for it, but i'd dislike him less than i have for along time for being nothing but a skinhead with a ball making costly mistakes! the pass he misplaced tonight cost a goal and i think the game- he deserves all the stick he gets, he mouths of to the press like a skinhead shouts on a bus - who the * thinks this guy is anything but a *.
     
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    No, you cannot force a player of his ability wide from a central position 6 yards out.

    Yes, Caldwell had no time to panic. A split second after McManus failed to clear the ball, it was in the net.

    I agree, he was at fault for their 2nd goal.

    Caldwell has the ability that he has, we need strengthening.
     
  16. stoogie 02

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    Agree to disagree, what we both agree on is that Caldwell is not good enough at this level.
     
  17. die_hard_bhoy

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    Well, from what I saw the man I'd say underperformed the most was Hartley followed by Naka who faded into the background.

    Caddis did alright but was just getting just plain outrun by Henry.

    Aiden in the second half was not the Aiden of the first half who looked the only player that could have matched the quality of Barca

    Jan did his job well and I think Skippy did so-so, had a fair cry for a penalty first half but what're gonna do.

    Samarras can use a bit of all around improvement but he is better than Killen.



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  18. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    The players you mention faded into the background because the Barca team were so dominant.

    Our forward players (McGeady and Naka etc) were pushed back because Barca were so far forward.

    They played an arrogant 4-3-3 away from home because they are so good at it.

    They played us off the park.
     
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    :50:could not agree more, naka is weak and slow, yh he seems creative in the spl did * all tonite. we only play him in the hope of getting a free kick tonite, thats for sure. dont get me wrong hes been a great signing but against barca we needed pace and power, something we are lacking throughout the squad. naka was especially poor for me
     
  20. Chucky Arla

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    The fact you keep saying Caldwell wasnt at fault for the 3rd goal wont Make it come true ffs:87:
    He got turned in the box and allowed the Barca player to shoot. As Ell has already said in a previous post, Caldwells body shape was all wrong and he basicaly defended the situation WORSE than an *.