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Ronny under MASSIVE pressure now.

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Green And White, Jan 1, 2015.

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  1. PaddyBhoy

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  2. VikingBhoy

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    Ash Taylor has looked good, I wouldn't mind us giving him a chance. Cheaper than buying from the Continent too.
     
  3. PaddyBhoy

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    Watched him against Ross County a few months ago, and he was so * *, worst player on the park.

    But, he was solid against us at pittodrie. Other than that I haven't seen much of him.
     
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    I think "exposed" is exactly the right word for describing our defence. I think our defence are crazily exposed under Ronny and, as for individual errors, this exposure is * with their confidence with errors the result. It's not just Ambrose who panics a lot these days (though he has been most affected as we all know he is error prone at the best of times).
     
  5. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

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    I'd honestly rather see O'Connell in defence than Ambrose. He is likely to make mistakes, but at least he is young and would (hopefully) learn from those mistakes.

    That said, Deila shaking things up too much at the start of the season is what contributed to the early bad form and criticism. So he had to turn away from that.

    Would our support lend him the time and patience if he persisted with a youngster like O'Connell to partner VVD, even if it meant dropping a few points here and there?
     
  6. VikingBhoy

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    This is nonsense. 1. We're only trailing Aberdeen because we have a game in in hand. 2. There's no reason to panic now. If we're trailing Aberdeen in March I'll start to worry. Most of our dropped points were at the beginning of the season and we have improved since then even if you have trouble seeing it.
     
  7. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Nah mate I seriously doubt it - in fact as already mentioned to Dev, Deila has publically said he's already had to change his set up to ENSURE 3 points, not simply chase them.

    There is NO manager in the world who should be shelving the blame, let alone Deila for the shambolic defending displays of his backline this season. Please answer me this: is Ronny Deila to blame for Ambrose being beaten first to the ball or outmuscled off of it by a weaker opponent? Is Ronny Deila responsible for Adam Matthews failing to clear his lines on a continual basis? Is the lack of (or accused) midfield support because of Deila's tactics to blame for his defenders looking absolutely clueless against poorer SPFL opposition in THEIR area?

    I totally agree we SHOULD be in a better position this time of year. But I have watched just about every game - like yourself - this season and have seen the team create countless chances, only to see us fail to convert them. I have seen this team play very well in numerous ocasions this season, only to see us done by individual errors. I have also seen us play extremely luke-warm and flat. All of which are unacceptable, but i cannot lay the majority of blame on Deila's shoulders. These players KNOW FINE WELL how they should be playing and KNOW FINE WELL how to win, yet are underperforming yime and time again.
     
  8. Just Kieran Gold Member Gold Member

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    The difference between this year and last is how the midfield is set-up. The personnel isn't really all that different.

    The diamond formation we used so often throughout that unbeaten run protected the defence, but it also allowed our most potent attacker - Kris Commons 0 the freedom to get into great positions and score the goals he did.

    Deila's formation and style is exposing us an awful lot more. Maybe, given time and money, he can make it work.
     
  9. Liam Scales

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    Jesus * and that is acceptable? Really? I'm not worryi g we won't win the league, I'm worried about how * we've been in general and the lack of tactical knowledge shown by pur manager.
     
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    Nope, no time, no money, get rid now... Aberdeen have won the league already, we should just give up.
     
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    I've talked about Ambrose and Matthews several times. Matthews has been * of late which is disappointing. Ambrose has always been * *. But Ronny is continues to play these boys. I don't know what young O'Connell has to do to get game, he's a tidy wee player and I'd certainly be more comfortable with him than Ambrose.

    However i'm not hiding behind these 2 to excuse Ronny's * tactics.... I've not made it to about 3 or 4 games in all competitions this season, and I can only really say I thought we played really well in about 6 games. Which isn't acceptable for me.... I will continue to support Ronny, but I will also continue to give him stick when I think he deserves it.
     
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    If there's one thing Celtic has compared to other big clubs it's time for transition periods since we will win the league almost no matter what. I know a lot of people struggle with the concept of patience, but it's a luxury we can actually afford. We'll win the treble this year, mark my words.
     
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    Or... Here's a brainwave idea, he should play to the best suited way to the players he currently has available to him and spend what money he gets getting in players that suit his style?

    I know playing to players strengths may be a bit out there when you have a philosophy to think of but it might just work eh?
     
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    Like you, I'd quite happily give O'Connell a chance before Ambrose.

    I'm in no way saying that Deila should be impervious to criticism this season, no way at all BUT I simply cannot accept any claim that his "set up" is the reason why our defenders are performing so shambolically and are incapable of carrying out their basic defensive duties.
     
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    That is the simple way to look at it and probably most on here would agree ,it's Ambrose but let's look at Matthews who was also a star player under lennon when fit ,he has been poor also when playing Ambrose new position with us , also izzy has looked more vulnerable this season but looked also better going forward ,you push high up the park you force the opposition to defend in more numbers ,you have no space for your strikers to get shots of as none seem capable of heading, then you are open to a quick counter ,our players are are trying to close from behind the attacker not in his face forcing a mistake .
     
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    I dunno about the treble, but I more than agree with that word "patience" you have used.

    I'm as passionate a supporter as the next person and want to see us crush ALL opposition in front of us at every opportunity, but I smell sonething good here....really do.
     
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    It certainly makes it harder for them.
     
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    That's where we differe, I haven't saw any progress yet. Good in flashes but I can't see us actually building towards anything. It's like he wants us to play exactly how we are just now but better and doesn't know how to achieve that.
     
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    Said in the Summer he should sacrifice his 'philosophy' in the short-term to ensure we made it through the Champions League Qualifiers. He didn't, and the players looked very uncomfortable in Iceland, over both legs vs Legia and at home to Maribot. Through we did have some good spells, we were deservedly dumped out.

    We've been very poor in the League, and that is with largely the same group of players we dominated with last year.
     
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    What an absolute ludicrous idea.

    Do you mean to say simply chuck Mr Deila's philosphy, and get the players playing to their strengths, what they've proven they can do, in order to just win games?

    You're an absolute nutcase.... I cant quite take that in. incomprehensible
     
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