War it is!

How much is it to just pull all the soldiers out? How much is it to pay for bombs?

* country's a mess.

 

FFS the BBC telling the truth

Though they did throw in some Turk at the end, to give denial the final word

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qARNhiyHvZA"]Turkey help Jihadists ISIS-BBC VIDEO - YouTube[/ame]

 

Basically...

RAF Bombs can cost anything from £22k to £800k each...

Each 2 plane mission will cost at least £1 million...

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/how_much_will_airstrikes_on_is_cost_taxpayer

 

Easy solution to problem and help Scotland at same time.
Get the 4 trident subs over there and use all the missiles to nuke everyone and whilst they are there set up a blockade of Faslane so the subs can't get back in.

 

What if those civilian casualties of war,were your own children,relatives or friends.
narrow minded Jungo,I'm totally against the IS,but blanket bombing will
Have the opposite effect.
IS will not be defeated by bombs,let Iran and its allies sort them out.
The west should be no where near it,help them with arms etc yes,but that's it.

 

I would say when it comes to Iraq at any rate the country as it formerly existed is done. Bush's illegal invasion and war has opened a real pandora's box and we are seeing what the fruits of his hubris about nation building has unleashed.

 

Here,s one theory as to what the real end game is, seems to be happening to the letter if you ask me.

http://libya360.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-shadow-of-american-geopolitics-greater-israel/

 

I really wish someone had a magic wand to sort this , but there is none

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ters-awaiting-an-Islamic-State-onslaught.html


The unlikely fighters awaiting an Islamic State onslaught

A Kurdish town, just inside the Syrian border, is one of dozens now on high alert after a major offensive by Islamic State fighters in recent weeks
Iris Kobane in the besieged Syrian town of Kobane

The bullet on the front of Idris Kobane’s battle fatigues was a chilling reminder of the stakes at play as he and his fellow fighters prepared to make their last stand.
The brass 7.62mm cartridge was intended not for use against the enemy, but on Mr Kobane himself – as a final shot to take his own life if the Islamic State jihadists currently surrounding his town finally overrun it.
“We won’t leave our town until the last drop of blood,” he said, standing with a semi-automatic weapon slung over his shoulder next to his four-year-old son, Mohammed. “We will stay and fight until death or until victory.

"But I say to the world and countries like America and Britain, we need your help. We need heavy weapons. If you know the meaning of humanity, look at what’s happening in Kobane, where so many civilians have been forced to leave.”

Many other volunteers have saved a lone cartridge to ensure they die by their own hand rather than the more brutal methods likely to be used by the jihadists if they are taken alive.
For the past few weeks, the farming settlement where he lives in northern Syria, also called Kobane, has been on the brink of falling to the jihadists, who have in the past beheaded men captured during battle.
Now defended only by a few lightly-armed volunteers, Kobane is typical of the towns crying out for Western air strikes.
The mainly Kurdish town, which lies just inside the Syrian border, is one of dozens now on high alert after a major offensive by Islamic State fighters in recent weeks. That – and the accompanying tales of atrocities – prompted a mass flight of around 140,000 Kurdish refugees across the border to Turkey.
Among these were many of Kobane’s own residents, leaving the town inhabited only by a minority of volunteers against a vastly better-armed Islamic State army.

Mr Kobane, 42, a construction worker who sports a glass eye, has been joined by other equally unlikely fighters, including a lawyer recently released from Isil detention after being beaten with electric cables, and Mohammed Hanif Osman, an elderly neighbourhood watchman.
The town itself appears ripe for the taking, with shuttered shops, abandoned homes and largely empty streets. Residents fear that it could become “another Shingal”, the Yezidi town in northern Iraq where up to 5,000 people were killed after it was overrun by the Islamic State last month.
Yet remaining inhabitants are not completely abandoned. Joining them last Friday were fighters with Turkey’s Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) – outlawed as a terrorist group in Turkey – who said they were armed to combat the jihadists.
“Inshallah, we will support them and we will confront Isil until we have victory,” said Shekmus Ahmad, 42, who described himself as a PKK fighter from Diyarbakir in Turkey, adding that 4,000 volunteers were crossing the border to fight.

Late on Saturday, the town’s prayers finally appeared to be answered, as a salvo of US air strikes hit distant Islamist positions in the nearby villages of Marj Esmael and Alishar, less than five miles from Kobane.
But as night fell, the American strikes appeared to have had little effect as Islamic State forces continued to pound the Kurdish positions with mortar shells, which shook the earth nearly a mile away across the Turkish border. Plumes of white smoke rose above the areas where the heavy artillery had fallen, and the smell of gun power hung in the air. In reply, the Kurdish forces offered only rifle fire, interspersed with occasional machine gun shots.
Some residents said they were determined to stay with or without outside help. “It’s our motherland and we won’t leave it for any reason – even for Isil,” said Waheed Asaid Ahmed, 35, sitting outside her home with her five children. “We will hold out. The blood of our martyrs is no better than ours.”

 

Sorry for going slightly off topic but Shiitestan , what a name for a country!

 

:smiley-laughing002:

 

Hey, some 13 year old probably spent ages thinking about that name/map.

 

Unconfirmed....

#Breaking - #US Air Force hits multiple #ISIS targets South of #Kobane, as clashes continue on several fronts between #YPG & ISIS. #ISIL

According to #BBC, military aircraft can be heard over #Kobani, after 3 #US air strikes on #ISIS were confirmed by the #YPG earlier. #ISIL

Kurds against any Turkish buffer zone in #Syria. Kurdish official tells me: "Buffer zone means occupation; end of peace w/ turkey" @akhbar

Reports of Turkish F-16s leaving Diyarbakir by @fgeerdink followed by @zeynep_erdim hearing jets over Sanliurfa. 1/2

 

The Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem addressed the UN General Assembly on Monday, September 29, during a fifth day of debate as UN member states convened for the assembly’s 69th session.

ISIS trained like ‘monster’ to be unleashed against Syria, Iraq, Lebanon – Syrian FM (UNGA 2014)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLFWZgXXf3Y&feature=youtu.be

 

Has American bombing strengthen ISIS as once their bitter enemies Al-Nusra Front have now become their allies.

The leader of Syria’s most prominent terrorist group, Abu Mohamad al-Golani, in denouncing the US-led air strike campaign, has urged Westerners everywhere to do the same “by standing against the decisions of your rulers,” otherwise bloodshed would be brought to their soil.
"Muslims will not watch while their sons are bombed. Your leaders will not be the only ones who would pay the price of the war. You will pay the heaviest price," Reuters cited him as saying. He threatened viewers that the fight would be brought “to the hearts of your homes.”


The American alliance are now seen as a revisit to the crusader times and will only help to gel the many groups into one united force.

 

What we alre seeing is the Balkanization of the Arab world.

Yugoslavia was the last strong state in the western world to resist neo-liberalism and the free market. The EU, USA and their military wing, NATO activily encouraged nationalist movements within Yugoslavia to dismantle the communist state and open it up western influence, as well as weaken the Russian sphere of influnce. They waged a propaganda war against solely against Serbs in Yugoslavia in what were * civil wars in Bosnia and Croatia where all sides equally committed atrocities. This was then topped off with the Kosovo conflict, giving NATO an excuse to bomb the Serb capital as well as several other towns and villages, the final nail in the coffin to the wounded and diminished Yugoslavia.

The result was rather than having one strong ideologically opposed state in the region, you now have 6 smaller, weaker states, much more susceptible to capitalism and western influence.

Now with the commies done for, we needed a new enemy. One that is easy to define and still hasn't entirely adhered to our materialistic, consumerist principles. Ding! The Middle East.

Dictators like Gaddafi, Hussain, Mubbarak, Assad, Kahmeni were all pretty bad *. However, the ruled/are ruling in countries which do not have a culture of western democracy. They have a culture of strong, iron fisted rulers. You don't have to be a history professor to realise this. All these regions have been under the rule of some sort of empire for thousands of years. There is a reason for this. They are ruling over a multitude of different people with different ethnicities and religios beliefs. A strong ruler kept these people united.

Let's not be naive enough to bileave that the Yanks and the Blairites did not know the consiqunces of toppling Saddam. It was a delibirate tactic to create ethnic tension that would spill over Iraqs borders. The the same with Libya, and the same with Syria. The tactic worked so well for the in the Balkans that they couldn't resist doing it again in the Middle East.

3 years ago they wanted to invade Syria. The public wouldn't have it. What did we do instead? Gave weapons and training to the opposition. Now it's that opposition that we are supposedly fighting? Makes me feel sick.

There will be troops on the ground in no time. We will go in against ISIS but Assad and his regime will also be targeted.

Then, next stop, Iran.

My question is, in 15 - 20 years time, when the Arab world is westernized ala Qatar, Dubai etc, who will be our next enemy?

The seeds are already being planted on the Russian front, it seems.

 

Nusra are one of the largest groups fighting in Syria and have been accused several times of using chemical weapons against both Assad forces and civilians. While the west may say Al-Nusra are a fringe group, this recent interview with (at the time) one of the most senior FSA commanders, paints a different picture altogether.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYnV4L-6FNY"]FSA General Declares Support for ISIS & Al-Nusra - YouTube[/ame]


Meanwhile...Heres the * news spin...

US launching complex operation to train, arm Syrian rebels amid airstrikes

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-weapons-into-hands-rebel-fighters-in-syria/

 

Jennifer Cafarella, a Syria analyst with the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, said that American strikes could benefit the Nusra Front if the United States did not ensure that there was another force ready to take power on the ground.


“There is definitely a threat that, if not conducted as a component of a properly tailored strategy within Syria, the American strikes would allow the Nusra Front to fill a vacuum in eastern Syria,” she said.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/us-sees-other-more-direct-threats-beyond-isis-.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#story-continues-2


WASHINGTON — As the United States begins what could be a lengthy military campaign against the Islamic State, intelligence and law enforcement officials said another Syrian group, led by a shadowy figure who was once among Osama bin Laden’s inner circle, posed a more direct threat to America and Europe.
American officials said that the group called Khorasan had emerged in the past year as the cell in Syria that may be the most intent on hitting the United States or its installations overseas with a terror attack. The officials said that the group is led by Muhsin al-Fadhli, a senior Qaeda operative who, according to the State Department, was so close to Bin Laden that he was among a small group of people who knew about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks before they were launched.

 

More civilians killed by air-strikes.....

http://rt.com/usa/191576-syria-coalition-silos-civilians/

 

Khorosan ????

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388990/khorosan-group-does-not-exist-andrew-c-mccarthy