Open letter - one off match decider v Warsaw

Well, we can go on like this forever.

And that's why people are saying that some changes to the incredibly harsh law should be introduced, to avoid similar cases in the future (because people will always make paperwork mistakes every now and then, it's only human).

I am also not quite sure what was the point of the letter. Probably, as someone here said, it's just a PR stunt.

 

Torq, I understand the hurt this must be causing LW fans as this was clearly an administrative error and not a deliberate attempt at cheating, but if this player was just illegible and not serving a suspension, then there would have been leeway for allowing the score to stand. As it is I doubt even UEFA would allow their rule on suspended players taking part in a game to be flouted, as has already been mentioned, it could have far reaching implications in the future. I bear no ill-will to Legia or their fans and hope they recover from this.

 

You forgot the 3rd Golden rule;

Follow the rules

 

It is time for COMMON SENSE to be applied to this matter.

For Celtic it makes sense to ignore the situation as they done nothing wrong. It would not make any sense to lose out on potential millions.

COYBIG -- Common you Bhoys in Green

Legia, COMMONTAE F*CK N' GEEIT A REST

 

How's it doubtful? He was given a 3-match ban for violent conduct in Legia's last European game of last season. If he was registered in the 25-man squad against St. Pat's then those two games would have counted towards the three. He wasn't registered in that 25-man squad so he still has his 3-match ban. He sat out the games against St. Pat's and the 1st leg against us, but due to him not being registered, the games against St. Pat's doesn't count.

Still a technicality that is against the rules. A suspended player cannot be fielded. It's as simple as that.

 

Lion,daibhi I dont know any * moderator get rid of the polish will ye there just getting annoying now

 

The thing is:

Our chairmanès are fans as well and want Legia not only to be strong on the field, but also well respected, image of a club that values fair-lay, integrity and has a rich history with not a single blemish on it. So yes, if put in opposite situation, Legia would agree to advocate for Celtic in UEFA and agree to be sent down into EL.

Now, to make it public: they got * off by Celtic management dissapearing on thursday and appearing again at the draw. The only way to actually put it out there that Celtic CAN act honorably and its not set in stone by UEFA and nothing can be done about it. Which was surely needed looking at discussions since friday in which many claimed that Celtic couldnèt have done anything about it.

Also, its a desperate attempt to make sure that sports wins (as someone said here: we care about footbal, not we care about paperwork). It is putting a pressure on management team, also showing them and shareholders that it will have negative effect on Clubs image, which is not a good thing in business so the decision can be justified to shareholders.

Edit: Quoting Willie Maley and making Celtic look like hypocrites unless they act was just icing of the cake by Mioduski.

 

So, being illegible (for whatever reason) and still playing would be treated less harshly than playing after serving a suspension, but not doing the paperwork? There is definitely something wrong with such law.

Oh, we will, no worries. Actually, Legia is quite strong financially these days, so we should survive this (but Zyro will probably have to be sold), especially that the players are so * off now, they will probably win the EL.

 

This is actually all become a bit pitiful from Legia Warsaw. It must be hard for them to take and I understand that but they really need to accept what has happened and concentrate on the Europa League. I feel sorry for the wee wifey who works in Admin who f@cked up big time, I dont feel sorry for anyone else.

 

That's what you should have done.

 

To be honest, I hope our board do agree to this meeting if it is possible. Just Celtic, Legia and UEFA representatives, to sit down and talk about this utter farce. What happens, happens.

It's getting pretty * annoying now. Legia should stop making all this * public though, keep it indoors with Celtic and UEFA rather than crying and releasing stuff to the media, that only sheds bad light on Celtic and Legia, it's cringeworthy going down that avenue.

However, rules are rules is fair enough, but so is proportionately punishing someone for breaking the rules, but that may open a can of worms altogether.

Either way, it needs sorted soon because this is getting a bit silly.

 

Quite opposite for me. I dont feel sorry for that person since they did * up, and the only consequence is losing the job (deservedlly so). Who I feel sorry for is everyone else involved in this situation.

Really, after getting beaten 6-1 management should see it as golden opportunity to improve image of the Club (comparing to situation from wednesday evening).

 

Thats all Legia wants.. They only went public as there was no reaction from Celtic

 

Dude, putting in player for last 3 minutes when the score is 6-1 is not not acting fair-play. Its an honest mistake.

 

Torq let me make this simple for you and any other of the 'Protesting Poles' on here.

Article 18

General provisions

18.01 In order to be eligible to participate in the UEFA club competitions, players must be registered with UEFA within the requested deadlines to play for a club and fulfil all the conditions set out in the following provisions. Only eligible players can serve pending suspensions.



Article 21 - Forfeit

1. If a match cannot take place or cannot be played in full, the member associationor club responsible forfeits the match.

2. A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.

3. A match may be declared forfeit if a player who is ineligible under the regulations of the competition concerned participates in the match, as long as the opposing team files a protest.

4. The consequences of a match being declared forfeit are as follows:

a) the team forfeiting the match is deemed to have lost 3-0 (5-0 in futsal competitions), unless the actual result is less favourable to the member association or club at fault, in which case that result stands;

b) if necessary, the UEFA administration amends the member association or club’s ranking in the relevant competition accordingly.

5. If a match is declared forfeit, offences committed during the match remain punishable


I've highlighted the important parts for you, so:

Was Bereszynski registered in the squad for the previous qualifiers? NO
Therefore had Bereszynski served his suspension when he took to the field? NO
Was Bereszynski therefore negligible? YES
Do Legia then forfeit the match? YES

Its all there in black & white. Now some questions you may want to ask yourself:

Who made the rules? UEFA
Are Legia a UEFA member club? YES
Should they be aware of the rules of the competition they are competing in? YES
Were they? NO
Is that incompetent? YES
Is all this of Legia's own doing? YES
Do Celtic have any responsibility to help rectify Legias errors? NO

You may not like the rules but they are the rules nonetheless, Legia should have been aware of these as is every other club must be as this is not a common occurrence. Maybe you should petition UEFA to change the rules but I very much doubt you will. Take the easy way out & try and shift the blame and responsibility. That's cowardly. That's Legia.

 

well said,Damian...

 

They had there chance, they blew it..

* them..

 

Unfortunately that is how both scenarios are treated at present under existing laws.

 

In fairness we would only need to send a couple of trainees out of
the admin team to show them how to fill the correct forms in.

Could win them £10 million plus in the future

 

People are blaming the staff , the ones go work begin closed doors. Or blaming Celtic. What about blaming your diddy manager, who's bright idea it was to bring him on. Stupid *.