England move would triple value of Celtic, says McCann

Your forgetting about the massive increases in revenue.

£48million in Ticket Sales and Matchday income
£25million in Sponsorship and Advertising
£20million in Merchandising
£60million in TV Money

We'd be expecting Turnovers of £150-180million from the off, almost 3x what we have now. We could probably even hold a share issue and generate 10s of £millions too for our first season. Our players values would double and we'd have access to far greater banking facilities, we could easily cope with £100million of debt if we were in England and we currently have none.

Overnight we'd become as rich or richer than clubs like Atletico Madrid, Roma, Tottenham, Galatasaray, Napoli, Valencia, Schalke, Fenerbahce, Inter Milan, Benfica and Porto. We'd definetly be up near the top.

If we played in the EPL we'd be closer money wise to the 10th richest team in Europe than we would the 20th richest in Europe. We are currently usually among the 30th-40th richest although will slip down further in coming season probably nearer to 60th.

 

You forget about our low debt level by comparison to most teams in the EPL

 

Fulham and Berbatov spring to mind; Arnautovic and Stokes aswell. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Arnautovic isn't all that tbh. Stoke is probably his level.

 

I did mention we would have access to pile on more debt.

Spurs for example, if we were in the same League as them we'd be richer than them and they currently have around £150million of debt yet they are under no financial problems. So we'd be able to be in that much debt too without thinking about it.

If we were to join the EPL next season we could probably manage to spend £150million on players and increase the wagebill by £500k a week and know we'd be fine. So we could add 5 £30million £100k a week players. If we wanted to we could probably spend £250million and increase the wagebill by £1million a week, would just make budgets tighter in the following seasons.

I'd predict if we moved to the EPL, we'd automatically become the 15th richest club in Europe and after 2/3 seasons we'd probably climb up to be 10th and possibly even get up to 7th or 8th richest in 10 years as you'd imagine we'd claim the same sort of recognition as Chelsea and Man City have since they emerged as the bigger clubs, so would end up with selling much more merchandise and gaining better sponsorship and advertising deals as the years went on.

 

Won't happen for a long time anyway, UEFA are very well lined in the pockets of the big teams, unless the european elite want to break away and start a new european set up and governing body it won't happen. England is more likely but a risk not to have European football until the club is set up accordingly and managed in the same manner just now but a bigger budget, I think we should look at the Dortmund set up, a wage cap with a great youth set up, maybe not selling players as much but with the financial fair play rules better to be safe. Means we become dependent on yearly income like just now and not billionaire owners.

 

I think it'd be great. Maybe being naive here but I feel like we would no longer have the Hooper/Wanyama/etc problem of a player wanting to leave for England. Star players would hang on to us for the long haul so long as we remained in the Premier League which we would definitely be capable of doing over dross like Fulham and Norwich

 

Not even Chelsea or Man City have signed 5 £30 million players over the course of a season. The rest of it is just speculation tbh.

 

So we would have £180m upfront to spend our first year

 

They already started with high wagebills/debt and didn't see massive increases in Revenue though. Wouldn't be anything like us.

We'd be starting on a platform of no debt and making profits, to seeing no additional costs but £120million more coming into the Club overnight, the value of the club rocketing through the roof meaning * would be desperate to become shareholders, we could easily raise £50million in a share issue on top of that extra £120million we'd have nothing to do with so overnight there'd suddenly be £170million to play with thats just in cash, banks would open the floodgates "Here Celtic do yous want a £40million overdraft, what about a £50million loan" etc

In our first year we could easily spend £300million(all in) even if our turnover was only £180million, we'd go into that debt but we'd also then have a squad wort £100million+ and the following season we'd have another £180million again when we'd probably only be spending £100-120million so thered be profits of £80million again, so we could spend again or reduce the debt but we'd be in profit for the first 3/4/5 seasons depending on how mad we wanted to spend.

A new share issue raising £50million is probably well under estimated too as Celtic would be a solid investment, we'd be more likely to win the Champions League or League in England to be relegated, so share value would probably remain stable or only increase. You wouldnt be suprised if Dermott Desmond invested £50million alone. Be impossible to guess but atleast dozens of £millions could be raised in a new share issue with Celtic in the EPL.

 

According to the figures we are/or could spend, we would not be looking at buying these "cheap" players in the first place though.

 

player wages would skyrocket

 

As much as id love to see us play in the epl the increased revenue would destroy the crop of talent we have. There would be uproar if we continued to buy cheap young players with potential. Any fan who denies that they wont demand marque signings is a liar!! Also on the point of marque signings i would estimate that 70% of the EPL is overpaid drivel that have absolutely no heart for the shirt they play in. I'd rather be the underdog with a team heros skelping beyond their league!!!

 

They'd still be managable though.

We could spend £130million a year(£2.5million a week) on wages if we were in the EPL and would still be making profits or breaking even. Thats 5x what we spend now on wages, that would be one of the 10 highest in the world, we could afford it as we wouldnt be servicing as much debt as most of the other clubs who in some cases are spending 10s of £million a season on debt, our debt wouldnt be that high, if we wanted to we could avoid actually getting into debt.

That means we could afford what we have now + the wages of Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, Toure, Iniesta and Xavi.

 

Problem is mate Scottish football isn't just competing with similar leagues, we are competing with the likes of the EPL, la liga and the German leagues as TV has made these leagues so much more accessible. I have friends who's kids first team, much to the despair of the Celtic supporting dads are the likes of Man Utd and Barcelona. Sure they go to Celtic games, but they aren't (self admittedly) Celtic fans. This will continue if we don't do something about it.

Even in a best case scenario, where we have multiple Scottish teams competing with us (e.g aberdeen, Hibs etc) that still wont be as compelling as the championship we are seeing down south this year. Or, in spain where Atheletico Madrid have made an impact. You have so much more access to these leagues than we did not so very long ago because of TV.

I am not suggesting the Celtic support will disintegrate, I'm just saying that for young kids especially now, they can watch Ronaldo and Messi tearing up the Spanish league just as easily as they can Stokes and Griffiths. All things being equal, which do you think they will invest there time in?

 

I wouldn't want us to represent England with their coefficient, which is what would happen if we moved to the EPL, plus I think it would be better playing in some kind of European League setup.

The travelling would be a bit of a * for away games I guess though :icon_mrgreen:

 

do the co efficient points gained by a scottish team eg.Celtic not help more Scottish team's to qualify

 

Our points are a combination of those achieved by our results and that achieved by the other teams in our league which at the moment is next to nothing.

 

I know that.

I was getting at this point,

"We dont compete for Scotland"

We compete for points & represent Scottish football.

 

If they ever did let us join the English league it would never be the premiership or even the championship, we would probley start in English division 1 or even division 2