Boy (13) holding toy gun shot dead by police

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No. No it wouldn't. That's what a bunch of hill billy's would like to think.

And again. No. Wishful thinking. The National Guard would side with whoever they are told to. And that would be the Government as they pay their wages.

Wrong. That would be China. And if you include reservists DPRK has more than them both combined.
There are officially 11,500 militia in the US. Compare that to the 1.4million regular Army and 850,000 reservists.
Quite sure these 'militias' will be wiped off the face of the earth. Not that it's ever going to happen anyway.

Yes. From the British. If they ever came back. Not the democratically elected Government of today. Most other nations manage to get by without the need for idiots to have guns.
Just your entitlement-minded paranoia Amerikans thinking their Government has some plan against them.

So who did they hire pre-2001 then? Oh.... Vietnam vets! How stupid of me!

 

When they were criminalised and banned in this country the gangs still had them. They will always have guns.
Better a tiny minority have some guns to kill fellow scum bags than every idiot and his dog have one to kill your children.

 

With the evidence in front of them they did the right thing ....

 

I've found myself agreeing with you more and more recently.

Not sure what the national guard would do but I'm sure there would be a lot of violence if this happened.

Edit: if the national guard are state run the they'd side with the state then.

Just read that on here, don't know a whole lot about American law.

 

Do you even know what the National Guard is? It is the State-run and funded militias. The STATE pays their wages, not the federal government. This is why these armies were able to rise up initially during the Civil War. And it is more than what a couple of hillbillies would like to think. It is what the entire NRA and GOA, two of the largest lobby groups in America think, with over 7 million members combined.

The average gun owner WOULD fight back against a gun grab.

And several states have already said that they would break apart from the union if the second amendment were ever repealed.

Third, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison put the 2nd amendment into the constitution to defend against tyranny in THIS government. And this government has become totally globalised and it is hardly democratic either, with election rigging and everything else. You know absolutely nothing about American politics. You are a typical Brit who thinks he knows everything about every other country in the world and how their countries should be run.

 

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Can't believe people are seriously trying to justify it.

The bigger issue here for Americans is that in more civilized parts of the world (aka Europe) the police would identify a child with a automatic rifle as a kid with a toy gun, whereas in a country that sells guns in it's supermarkets, they viewed the kid as a possible threat.

 

Amazing! You'd rather the criminals in America have firearms than the average law abiding citizen! It is the criminals in this country who are killing children in the ghettos while they sleep, not law abiding hunters and gun enthusiasts!

Sums it up right here!

 

And actually very few Vietnam-era vets became police officers. That generation actually had problems getting hired when they came back from Vietnam because people thought they were strung out on dope and were at fault for the political and societal situation at home. It was a very sad situation for them and many of them STILL have problems to this day. A record number of them are homeless and addicted to alcohol and drugs. The poor troops from the second gulf war and afghanistan were hired because they have been desensitised to violence. So they make a perfect military police force.

 

I'd rather nobody had guns. But there you go.
Like i said criminals will always have guns, that can't be helped. But allowing thick * who can't even tell you where Canada is to buy assault rifles and ammo from the same aisle as cereal is disastrous.
At least if you don't have a gun shop in every town and city it will reduce the number of guns available to criminals. That's sense.

Do you own any guns?

 

What bollox walks down the street holding that


When you see the headline you immediately think of this

 

Don't know if it has been mentioned, however, what happened to good old tazers? Are there not ones you can fire long range?

 

No it's people like you who preach violence and anarchy if the laws were to change, your argument makes no sense as to reserve the right for any citizen to bare arms which in turn makes it easier for criminals and indeed any joe public that is having a bad day to reach into their glovebox and pull out a loaded weapon and use it.
But hey as long as those law abiding innocent hunters and GUN enthusiasts (seen them hillbillies on the tv) can have their fun then hey ho it's worth the odd innocent victim of gun crime or the odd 1000's more like eh? Seems to me life is deemed pretty cheap by a lot of you over there but nothing a high velocity round between the eyes won't sort (yee haw..spit tobacco).Usually quiet on here but your posts are bordering on stupidity.

 

Criminals here do not buy their guns in gun stores. The states here run a background check and do register people who own handguns (even though the police arent supposed to, in many states, they still do). Also the records are available at any gun store that you buy your firearm from. When a crime is committed with a handgun that is purchased in a store, the police are almost always are able to trace it with ballistics. This is why criminals do not buy their guns in stores. There is a huge black market here for handguns. A lot of them come over the mexican border. Others come from other states and have "dirt on them" (used in a crime). They are sold out of the boot of cars in the ghettos. Usually the gangbangers use them in one shooting and then they sell them back to whoever they bought them from, and then those guns are sent far away so that it becomes near impossible for the police to track down. Firearms are completely illegal in Mexico, and they use the same black market system for criminals to purchase guns. And it is even stronger over there than it is over here. And way more people get killed due to gun violence in Mexico than they do in the USA.

People who buy their guns in gun stores are, 99.9% of the time, legit people. Only a moron would buy a gun in a store and use it in the commission of a crime. It'll get traced back to you somehow and you will get caught. Forensics and ballistics in this day and age are way too good.

I own a shotgun, myself. I plan on buying an AR-15.

Marie: I hate Obama myself. My reasons are purely political, as are the reasons for most of the people who hate him in this country. I also hated Mitt Romney. There are two sides of the same coin there.

 

But violence and anarchy are what will happen if the government try and take the right to bear arms away. What do you think will happen when people who are armed and feel very strongly about the issue are told to give up one of the rights their country was founded on? It would be chaos.

 

Again the leftists always try to pin the blame on law abiding citizens when it is the gangbangers who commit the gun crime in this country with illegal guns. How are we responsible? Do you think they'll give a toss and turn in their guns when guns are illegal? Good thing that at least foreigners such as yourself do not set the laws in this country. And in a similar token of respect that you just gave me there, I think that your post is the stupidest of them all.

 

Jorge, we all know your views on guns. I can understand why you are so passionate about the second amendment and why you don't like people from other countries telling you what to do.

But, how do you feel about tighter gun regulations? Rather than an outright ban, limit the sales of assualt rifles. I'm not saying that is what should happen. Just wanted your opinion. I read that the most powerful weapon on sale to the public is this bad boy:



You can hit targets from 2000 yards with armour piercing bullets. That's proper call of duty stuff. So the question I'm asking is why do these weapons need to be on sale to the public?

As I said, as a pro-gun man, just wanted to get a coherent answer from you. Also, you said that America would descend in to civil war if the guns were taken away. If that is true and that's the mentality of people, I would genuinely be scared about the future of America. Don't mean that flippantly, but to me, that's a terrifying statement.

Hopefully, you don't take this as a personal attack on you.

 

Very good.

 

I didn't realise it was one of those guns he had, as you say they are even more difficult to spot as a fake.
Aye in my day as well, I now have the rat-a-tat noise in my head :smiley-laughing002:

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