Bomb explodes outside Panathnaikos fan club

Oh no, casual racism, tourkosporoi aaaaaaah. You say tourkosporoi like it is a bad thing.

Omonia are a fantastic club with plenty of great people supporting them. People that go against the horrible ideas of Greek or Turkish nationalism.

Really it's pathetic. The modern Greek state doesn't have a monopoly on history (and some rather dubious history at that) and I'm more interested in it's modern repercussions of these claims, which are far from pleasant.

Well then compare someone else to the Huns.

 

can we do this with zombies???




joking shocking stuff

 

Panathanaikos confirm they are in talks to sign Tottenham Hotspur defender Younnes Kaboom.

 

Wooaaahh lol not been to sleep yet still up since friday night ,so see what write last night but still true yes .?.how offensive ? i have big respect for panathanikios.all i say is actions of muslim true? i think so yes?...But 7/7 9/11 kenya, bombims in pakistan and iraq daily,chechnya muslim terrorists raiding school killing innocent childern, cinema terrorist attack too moscow railway bombing moscow airport bombin.lots of arrests in uk for muslims planning terrorist attck.20 tourists in pakistan brought to there knees AND shot in the head.Get a grip not RACIST JUST sayin the truth.But people forget what happens outside uk.Indefensible.
its somehow racist to oppose this.Thre is a common link with these attacks is there not.All muslim followers of islam.* sake i said it im a racist.Bore Off and get a grip.

 

not sure if right thread for this but i just say,it cant be wrong to oppose terrorist attacks.But will i be made to look like bad guy?probably.

 

they are a club whose fans fly the flag of so called country "Turkish Republic N.Cyprus" which is recognised only by Ankara. So, it is Turkish nationalism, don't you think. And if they fly that flag, why don't they pass the green line and go to live in occupied parts. And that flag insults some of my friends whose parent lost all their family members and property in 1974, thanks to the Turkish invasion, and they were called "Tourkosporoi" by the Cypriot Greeks which is Greek for Turkish seed.
And if someone enters your house, make you to leave it, than years after it, sell your property to a German or British citizen, you can not have so much love for them, don't you think?
About FYROm, I was explaining that Greece doesn't have any territorial pretensions toward it, Greece protects its heritage, history and culture, and it is nice to see that not all countries in Balkan aren't banana republics that sell their identity for a hand of euros. And that "fight" between them is a reason for modern repercussion.

 

What about the thousands of of bomb attacks that have been perpetrated by non-Muslims ? Or the millions of Muslims that are opposed to any form of violence ?

 

No, they trolled you lot (from what I remember once) with that banner. They fly the hammer and sickle, red and black anarchist flags, flag of Cyprus etc.

"Why don't the 'foreigners' just go home at let me live in my perfect idealized world?" wah wah wah.

I know what it means. It's racist *.

It's not just Greece's heritage. The Greek state doesn't have a monopoly on the regions history. Same for Macedonia, which has been the other side of coin on it's own state-building scheme.

Anyway the ancient Macedonians weren't considered Greek at the time. Only in modern times have then been seen as such. You'll come back on this point with some ideological reading of history. That shows that this is an complex historical question and therefore the modern Greek state can't claim everything.

Never mind that before independence Greeks called themselves Romani, Romans. When they became their own country, nationalists started saying, 'you're not Romans, you're Hellenes.' After which, the Vlachs took the name Roman for themselves. Romania used to be Greece. Now it's Moldavia/Wallachia. So maybe Italy should start a name dispute with Romania :smiley-laughing002:

Or even more bizarrely we could say Macedonia is Jewish. Up until the Holocaust the most widely used language in the region was Ladino, a Jewish Spanish dialect. When the Jews were expelled from Spain many settled in Thessaloniki, so much so that they were the majority until the *'s came in.

See how stupid this "it's mine, not yours" stuff is?

 

How come Olympiakaos have won like 15 Leagues in a row in Greece?

 

omonia fans tried to troll apoel in reaction to * salutes and swastikas, but instead it backfired making omonia look like traitors thus apoel laughed at them.

what alot of bullshit.

why would omonia want to fly a symbol of an army that invaded cyprus? theres a reason they're not popular and that is why.

pretty poor form of 'trolling' on omonias part and total disrespect to the Greek cypriot victims. most greek cypriots would say omonia crossed the line with their pro-turkish banners, having no regard for the Hellenic roots at all.

 

because they are good at football.

 

1. They did it to troll, but when a Cypriot Turk will fly the Cypriot flag? Never, because they will never accept Cyprus existence. Omonia fans burned Greek flag which is an insult for every Greek Cypriot. Do you think a Cypriot Turk will burn the Turkish flag? no, they will never do it. The Turks have a huge respect for the flag.
What is the problem? All other parts that were under the Ottoman occupation got right to be free, why Cyprus would be different? in 1960, Turks were only 18% of the population, majority of the Cypriot population wanted freedom and union with Greece, so what is the problem. The brits gave them 40% of jobs in the police, despite being only 18% of the island population.
The Turks divided island, they invaded it.
And it isn't only that flag, there were banners that offended Greeks. If they like it, pass the green line and enjoy. why do they live in the Greek part if they continue to insult it.
Also, Omonia and APOEL isn't any strict ideological difference. my mate's cousin's girlfriend was an Omonia fan, but she started to support APOEL which is her boyfriend's club.
All my Cypriot friends equally respect both Cypriot and Greek flags, but they would never fly the non excisting country that took ther property and parent's lives, even to troll, or a joke. Those people who did it, I am not surprised to be considered as traitors. there are others way to troll.

2. Those "foreigners" as you say, get 800 euros from the Turkish government, just to stay in Northern parts of Cyprus. they don't do anything, they got that money just to stay. And, yes, they are foreigners, just check how many of them was born in turkey.

"...all here is ours, but for you all foreign

For you are strangers and no matter how many palm trees you hold, yo aren't friends, this country isn't sold"
Y.D.

3.Ancient Macedonians were Greek, even Macedonia is Greek name, they spoke Greek, they weren't favourite in Athens and other Polis, but to be honest, other polises didn't like each other too.Every city was a state in ancient Greece, the own state building scheme. just like Athens, Sparta etc...All those cities were the countries for themselves but people were Greeks.
Even Alexander was grateful to gods to be born Greek, he respected Greek gods, his name is Greek, it means "Defender of men", just like his father name. So, the Athenians didn't like them, but it doesn't mean they weren't Greek.

4. very simple. Byzantium empire was Eastern Roman empire, that is why they called themselves Romani. Romani were not only Greeks, but also other people in the East Roam empire.The Greeks call themselves Hellenes, because their country name is Ellas ( ancient Greek Hellas), so the native Greeks are Hellenes, they prefer to be called Hellenes in all languages although all the western languages use term "Greece/Greek" apart of Norwegian, as far as I know.

Vlachs ( those in Serbia refused to be called Roamians, but Vlachs), and Romanians are people from the same group as the Italians and Spanish, Romance people that is why the country's name nowadays is Romania.

 

That is true. APOEL are also scum and Greek junta lovers. They were against Makarios, many Cypriots don't like them because of it.
There are other ways to show disrespect for the neonazi scum. Omonia fans know that, and they must have limits. Morons. If their mothers were raped and were amongst those Greek woman who had abortion after they were raped, I don't thin they'd do it. Although, I have to admit, there are some very nice APOEL fans I met who aren't racist at all.

 

They havent. They have won 8 in a row they missed out on 2004 season

 

Well they've won a good 14 out of 15 or somewhere along those lines. Do they have the most money, or are they just the best-run club?

 

If they had won the 2004 they would already be on 16 in a row.
Not sure about the money.
Here is a wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiacos_F.C.

 

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Gate 9 CSC :

 

APOEL have Cillian Sheridan and Goncalves (our old foe from St Mirren) playing for them haha

 

EDIT: Should a Mod not split this off-topic stuff from this football thread?

But they are traitors to the Greek state. They take the only responsible position here and say "* the Greek and Turkish state!".

Omonia is the most supported team in Cyprus.

What does having Greek roots have to do with anything? I'm Scottish, should I therefore support the Black Watch or refrain from saying * the Army because it may offend? Should I *!

Anyway, there never has been pro-Turkish banners. Unless being against racism and Greek nationalism automatically equals being a Kemalist - which it doesn't.

Sometimes doing the right thing is going to * off a lot of people.

So? Is it OK when it'd done on the streets of Athens? :smiley-laughing002:

Greece is a very Nationalist country and we can all see the negative effects of it. The rise of Golden Dawn, epidemic levels of racism, benevolent dictatorships, war etc. It has helped keep those that created the economic crises in power by limiting the peoples ideas of what is both possible and good. Ideas to stop the suffering have always been seen as ways to help "the nation" instead of the working class.

The nation and the working class have different economic goals.

It's a pretty brave step to take a position of "A plague o' both your houses!" and fight against these corrupt and oppressive systems instead of just fighting to create your own smaller example of it.

 

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, please start another thread in History, Politics & Religion. Keep this thread on topic.