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Is Washington "Redskins" acceptable

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  1. BigWilly Free Palestine and Ukraine Gold Member

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    You wrong, The NFL was always able to squash any court case in past decades.

    And it shows that you aren't really following this because if anything the Media has been the one running with the BS line that this is Political Correctness gone mad.
     
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  3. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    That is not offensive. There is not a problem with the Cleveland Indians for the same reason.
    From a blog by a Native American for CNN

    Several days ago, I was asked: "Why are you picking on the Redskins? What about the Cleveland Indians or the Atlanta Braves?"
    First, the term "redskins" is a pejorative, a racial slur.
    We are told by our elders that the eastern Algonquian word for woman is shunksqaw, and that "squaw" in the English usage came to signify that part of the woman the settlers wanted during negotiations. It's a pejorative. It always has been, just like the word "redskins."
    The term "Indian" isn't a racial slur, even though it's incorrect; and neither are the terms "brave" or "warrior."



    But that's missing the point.
    When the status of a Native American is demoted to that of a caricature, they are objectified and diminished as a people. They become entertainment, not fellow citizens. How are you supposed to take them seriously if all you see is the stereotypical image of the Hollywood or sports mascot Indian?
     
  4. Dáibhí

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    What? You think people don't take native Americans seriously because they see them as sports mascots?

    Seriously?
     
  5. mike91

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    I'm not wrong, the exact same ruling was reached in 1999 and then was overturned on appeal in 2003
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...63bad8-f701-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html

    And the media has been driving this story, saying otherwise is flat out wrong. Plenty of media outlets are now refusing to say the team name and Bob Costas lectured America during the halftime of a Sunday night football game last year about why he thinks the team name is wrong.
     
  6. mightymcginn

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    you obviously haven't been wathcing msnbc, they won't even say redskin on tv anymore and warned viewers when they were about to show a clip with senator harry reid using the name.
     
  7. mightymcginn

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    a small group of native americans picket outside of the indians stadium before the first home game of every season. Its not a big issue now but if the redskins name is changed then the pc brigade will move on to the indians and then the braves.
     
  8. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    What do people think of when they here the word Native American?
    This[​IMG]
    Or this
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    A truthful answer proves why

    these people are not helped by stereotypical images. Substituting Redskin for Native American in the question would highlight the fact even greater.

    Now ask yourself what you picture for African American or Mexican(in the context of the US)


    Edit: Google images for Native American
    https://www.google.ie/search?q=nati...6&bih=609#q=native+american&tbm=isch&imgdii=_
     
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  9. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    If it is such a small issue how come we on this side of the Atlantic are aware of it? PC gone mad is always used by those resistant to change. I am sure it would have been used had we only now gotten around to dealing with words like n***er
     
  10. Dáibhí

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    What do people think of when they hear the word Scotsman? This?

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    Or this?

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    What do people think of when they hear the word Italian? This?

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    Or this?

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  11. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    So do you think the Italian Americans would be happy with the name "The Chicago Dons"
    This could be the little caricature
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  12. Dáibhí

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    I honestly would hope the majority would really care too much. They'd hopefully recognise that it's simply the name of a sports team.

    What about the Vancouver Canucks? Should we change the name of that sports team as well?
     
  13. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    Italian Americans hate the mafia stereotype and would not like it to be reenforced in the minds of the general population.

    Canuck is not offensive so why should Vancouver change their name. Many Americans would be more likely to use the word Canadian in a derogatory sense than Canuck.
     
  14. Dáibhí

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    Canuck can be used as a derogatory term in the US when describing Canadians though, can't it? So some people could be offended by it.
     
  15. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    People also could be offended by the term "the fighting Irish". In my lifetime though I have yet to meet one or even hear of one. I am sure though if some influential Irish Americans had a problem with the name then it would not take long to get it changed.

    Canadians being offended by Canuck would be ironic when considering who choose the name.
     
  16. Dáibhí

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    I've just been on eBay and put some bids in for a Washington Redskins jersey, a t-shirt and an alarm clock!

    Hopefully the name change goes through and I can sell them on at a nice wee profit! :icon_mrgreen:
     
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