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What is it and us with strikers?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by mickcfc91, Jul 14, 2013.

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  1. mickcfc91

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    First off i'm not writing Balde off, but Park and Lenny don't seem too good at scouting out strikers.

    With the likes of Miku, Lassad, Brozek, Bangura and maybe Balde, we haven't really seemed to been able to scout out gems like we have in other positions.

    Obviously we have bought Hooper and Stokes in and they have done well but both were reasonably well known players before we bought them and I don't think they were necessarily scout as such, these were players that could be seen easily without going out of your way.

    I wonder why its been a problem?

    Is it to do with the players or the type of players we have looked at.

    Is it as simple as good strikers cost too much.

    Have we made the wrong decision on taking a player over another possible player.

    What do yous think?
     
  2. GodBlessJinky

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    Hardest thing in football is putting the ball in the back of the net so on our budget I reckon we are bound to have a high failure rate for strikers. I also dont think Lennon has giving too many of the players you listed a proper chance.
     
  3. SpellCheck92

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    Maybe Balde ? The guy hasn't even played a competitive game yet. I do agree though we haven't done too well under Lennon with regards to strikers the exceptions of Hooper and Stokes. Quality strikers cost good money. We need a Nikica Jelavic type striker. He was good up here. Would we pay 4 million though ? Doubt it.
     
  4. Diegan

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    I think most of the strikers we're getting are coming from different styles and so they need time to fit in.

    Also Lassad was decent for what he was brought in to do.
     
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  6. Rose67Bud

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    It's not the scouting system that is wrong in this aspect, it's the management.
    The fact is that strikers get between 2-4 games to prove they are worth a spot. K.Wilson needed around 30 games to find form, Lustig needed around 10, Big Maj and Loovens were given lot's of games...

    Miku got maybe 3 starts, same with bangura, I can't recall brozek starting a single game...

    Lassad did sort of get a few games, but he was more of a winger in my eyes..
     
  7. oh bhoy

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    .i think lassad looked a very good player and miku if given a run in the team could have been good though i dont disagree with brozek ,bangura ,murphy being poor from what ive seen ,if hooper leaves and samaras gets injured we might see someone else get a chance up front
     
  8. PeeKay Gold Member

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    Strikers are not easy to find. Especially the ones in the £2-£3million bracket. I think we should stop going abroad to try and find a striker because its always a gamble. Especially at over £2million. Instead, why not just sign Russell for less than £1mil.

    I do agree though that the strikers we sign need more time. It's hard though. If a new striker goes a few games without scoring. Their confidence drops, fans get on their back, I'm guessing it wouldn't be easy.
     
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  9. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Balde will need time, Lennon has said that himself. I was not expecting him to really hit the ground running. As for the others you mentioned yes you are right we have not had much luck. The next striker we buy will be crucial as it will most likely be the one to replace Hooper. We need to sign one with a proven goalscoring record. For example we were linked with that Israeli Eliran Atar last year he would have been ideal for me. There is also Philip Hosiner with a very impressive record at Vienna, similar player to Hooper too. Finding the right replacement for Hooper is so important, cannot really be a project type player this time.
     
  10. Roskopicachu

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    We need a goalscorer, you just go and sign a goalscorer, it's not hard if you are open to anything. If you are thinking, "Can he score against Juventus?" then you'll find yourself in bother.

    I don't think the ball goes into central midfield quickly enough and if it does, the only player in central midfield with the drive to take the ball forward and able to control the shape of the team, is Scott Brown. This is potentially a problem.

    Attacking right through the center of the pitch should be an option. We lack a guy that can play pass early enough to put the striker through on goal, or to just hit his opposite number with a burst of pace and go gunning for the center halfs.

    Problem is, the board have it in their heads, we only want to sign players who can go for 10million. That has put us in the position of thinking all the players who've been sold that we could afford, weren't good enough.

    This leads to very slow movement in the transfer market, when we should have cruised through, thrift shopping for bargains to turn into £3million players and see if they can become even more valuable. Pace, power and technique. That's all we need.

    But i feel now, we'll carry down the road of going for big game players and maybe this is what we have to do now.

    It's not without it's risk, but if we stick to the UK market it might be simpler to transition guys into the team.
     
  11. Officer Doofy Come to me, human man Gold Member

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    Well, Mick is right. He's not judged Balde but is still concerned about him, just like a lot of us. Let's be honest, going by how he's performed so far it's looking more likely that he'll flop rather than be the next Hooper.

    Of course, I'm reserving judgement for now but I'm worried. Regarding the OP though, it's quite discomforting to see our track record of signing strikers. Hopefully it changes soon.
     
  12. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Most players he mentioned though were signed as back-up strikers or squad players.

    Only probably Hooper, Miku and Bangura were brought in and seen as players who were going to go into the team. 1 out of 3 a success.

    Stokes, Lassad, Murphy, Brozek and Balde have been brought in as back-up squad player types. Out them you could say 2 were successes Stokes and Lassad and 1 unknown(Balde) so 2/4 success. Watt was that kind of signing too although could be classed as more of a gamble than them since he was 17.
     
  13. Conor1994

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    How do you know that Balde has been brought in as back-up?

    I am going into the season with a completely open mind about Balde, and I don't understand why anyone else wouldn't.
     
  14. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Cause he's a young cheap signing who with Vitoria wasnt a first choice player either, think he made about 12 sub appearances for them last year.
     
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    Doubt Baldé will ever score for us (like Bangura) but if he does, it won't be more than 5.
     
  16. evilp3te

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    Really? ?

    Can you also tell me the lottery numbers please ?
     
  17. Conor1994

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    He wasn't that cheap. That kind of money represents a significant outlay for us these days. Also, Balde had become first choice for them after the first couple of months of the season.

    :56: Pathetic.
     
  18. Conor1994

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    In fact, they actually moved Soudani to the wing to accommodate him.
     
  19. Roskopicachu

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    Maybe when we get chances he'll score. If he gets one, maybe he can kick on. Some new players and hopefully he'll be a real handful. Last time out he had a bit of fire in his belly, but i'd like to see him play midfield in a friendly game, just to see how gets on.

    When he dropped deeper it caused a bit of confusion.
     
  20. Icicle

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    Lennon has made a lot of poor signings